WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:10.440 --> 00:00:14.560 Larry Bodine: Welcome to today's meeting of Democrats greater Tucson. 00:00:14.890 --> 00:00:19.470 Today, we welcome former attorney general Terry Goddard, who will be joined by 00:00:19.650 --> 00:00:24.800 Chris Hawkins, who is the Southern Arizona coordinator of Stop Dark Money. 00:00:25.370 --> 00:00:31.390 He was the mayor of Phoenix and he was the attorney general from 2001 to 2003 00:00:31.390 --> 00:00:34.370 We're talking about stopping dark money. 00:00:34.459 --> 00:00:36.560 I think we all know what Dark Money is. 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:39.890 It's millions of dollars that are contributed to candidates and 00:00:39.930 --> 00:00:44.420 campaigns without any record at all of who put the money on there. 00:00:45.050 --> 00:00:49.879 So Stop Dark Money supports a ballot initiative that would require all 00:00:49.940 --> 00:00:56.660 major contributors to clearly identify themselves if they invest more than $5,000 00:00:56.660 --> 00:00:59.180 in support of a campaign or candidate. 00:00:59.930 --> 00:01:02.750 And the Dark Money is pretty much responsible for all the 00:01:02.750 --> 00:01:06.289 negative ads, the misleading information, even outright lies. 00:01:06.740 --> 00:01:08.330 You find that voters are bombarding. 00:01:09.440 --> 00:01:11.270 Without Terry, the floor is yours. 00:01:12.320 --> 00:01:12.860 Thank you, Mr. 00:01:12.860 --> 00:01:13.460 President. 00:01:13.548 --> 00:01:15.428 It's a pleasure to be with DGT today. 00:01:16.278 --> 00:01:20.928 Arizona started out in 1912 as a very progressive state. 00:01:20.958 --> 00:01:23.328 Terry Goddard: We had a short, we had a long ticket. 00:01:23.328 --> 00:01:25.938 We elected just about everybody at the state level. 00:01:25.938 --> 00:01:31.340 And we were very progressive and somehow things have gotten off track o f the point 00:01:31.360 --> 00:01:37.060 you just made about the effort in the legislature to get rid of voting centers, 00:01:37.176 --> 00:01:42.970 to get rid of mail in ballots, to get something that we participate in by about 00:01:42.970 --> 00:01:49.628 80% to basically turn back the clock in terms of voters rights is just appalling. 00:01:49.628 --> 00:01:54.999 And I know DGT has taken a strong position as you always do against all of that, 00:01:55.569 --> 00:01:59.617 but it's a heritage that we sometimes forget, and I think we should today, 00:01:59.617 --> 00:02:04.753 especially be reminded of, but thank you again for the chance to be back with you. 00:02:05.096 --> 00:02:08.439 This is my third rodeo on trying to stop dark money. 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:10.821 As DGT has been with us every step of the way. 00:02:10.906 --> 00:02:14.549 And that has been a real source of help. 00:02:14.549 --> 00:02:18.222 I probably should explain why it's the third time many of, cause you've 00:02:18.222 --> 00:02:22.257 been some of our strongest helpers along the road, but the first one we, 00:02:22.287 --> 00:02:23.997 I thought qualified for the ballot. 00:02:23.997 --> 00:02:29.854 But Americans for Prosperity is one of the most important national groups 00:02:29.854 --> 00:02:32.266 that champions dark money in politics. 00:02:32.345 --> 00:02:37.265 They came after us in court and were able to nullify enough of our signatures, 00:02:37.805 --> 00:02:41.555 that we were just a few thousand short of getting qualified for the ballot. 00:02:41.622 --> 00:02:45.062 Then the next year, 2020, we were on track. 00:02:45.092 --> 00:02:48.132 We were getting there and then Covid hit. 00:02:48.442 --> 00:02:53.112 And so all of us took a very serious hit back in March of 2020. 00:02:53.442 --> 00:02:56.952 And we had to stop collecting signatures at a time when I 00:02:56.952 --> 00:02:58.432 really think we were right there. 00:02:58.444 --> 00:03:02.497 This time the third time, hopefully as a charm I don't know quite what 00:03:02.497 --> 00:03:05.920 the validity of that statement is, but we're trying very hard. 00:03:05.920 --> 00:03:11.257 We've got a new coordinator in Pima County Chris Hawkins, who you mentioned Larry is 00:03:11.257 --> 00:03:13.312 going to be on the program with me today. 00:03:13.312 --> 00:03:17.677 And I will like to introduce her to everybody a little bit later after I've 00:03:17.677 --> 00:03:23.377 had a chance to go over the basics of what we're trying to do to stop dark money. 00:03:23.422 --> 00:03:27.008 I think, and again, my apologies for those of you who know it and 00:03:27.008 --> 00:03:29.876 have read the petition and have been with us from the Beginning. 00:03:29.876 --> 00:03:35.696 But what this is trying to do is to establish in Arizona, a right to know. 00:03:36.671 --> 00:03:42.041 the original source of all funds spent to influence our votes. 00:03:42.581 --> 00:03:47.261 And that's a transposition of the first words of this piece of legislation. 00:03:47.831 --> 00:03:50.775 And I think it pretty much says it all the right to know is 00:03:50.775 --> 00:03:52.005 what we're here talking about. 00:03:53.025 --> 00:03:56.985 And right now Arizona perhaps leads the country. 00:03:56.985 --> 00:04:00.135 In fact, they do in terms of tolerating. 00:04:01.515 --> 00:04:03.735 anonymous cash and our elections. 00:04:04.335 --> 00:04:08.068 As a percentage of the total amount of political money that's spent dark 00:04:08.068 --> 00:04:13.258 money is higher here than it is in other states, in any other state. 00:04:13.678 --> 00:04:18.328 And the Reason for that as our legislature has been bent over backwards, essentially. 00:04:19.238 --> 00:04:21.288 to tolerate the dark voices. 00:04:21.288 --> 00:04:26.014 They basically have said an Arizona law that if you're a 501C4 and that's 00:04:26.014 --> 00:04:29.979 the group that does most of the anonymous campaigning You don't have 00:04:29.979 --> 00:04:32.079 to register as a political campaign. 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:33.709 You don't have to even register as a PAC. 00:04:34.179 --> 00:04:35.169 You just spend money. 00:04:35.999 --> 00:04:39.649 And the result of that is the tens of millions of dollars have 00:04:39.649 --> 00:04:43.579 been spent in Arizona elections to try to influence our vote. 00:04:44.149 --> 00:04:49.591 I think many of that the, perhaps the poster child example is back in 2014 00:04:50.191 --> 00:04:54.091 when Sandra Kennedy was running for reelection on the Corporation Commission, 00:04:54.091 --> 00:04:55.621 and one other Democrat was running. 00:04:55.688 --> 00:05:00.092 The utility in Arizona in Phoenix, Arizona, public service basically 00:05:00.092 --> 00:05:05.702 secretly spent, we now know $10.3 million to elect the slate of two 00:05:05.822 --> 00:05:08.562 Republicans to the Corporation Commission. 00:05:08.562 --> 00:05:09.284 That's amazing. 00:05:09.310 --> 00:05:12.160 It would be illegal in most states, but not in Arizona. 00:05:12.855 --> 00:05:18.045 And the result was that they put those two people regulating our utilities and 00:05:18.045 --> 00:05:19.965 the rates that the utilities can charge. 00:05:20.475 --> 00:05:25.005 And the folks in Phoenix ended up paying $95 million a year more as 00:05:25.005 --> 00:05:28.995 a result in their utility bills because of those two commissioners. 00:05:29.415 --> 00:05:33.185 So APS was paid back royally for the $10 million that they invested. 00:05:33.740 --> 00:05:36.440 And that unfortunately still is the law today. 00:05:36.440 --> 00:05:39.440 It could happen again, could happen with Tucson Electric. 00:05:39.450 --> 00:05:44.720 It could happen with any other corporation that sort of wants to get a special deal. 00:05:45.570 --> 00:05:46.700 in the state of Arizona. 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:50.540 So we need to stop that in my opinion, we can go from last to first, if 00:05:50.540 --> 00:05:52.326 we can get the Stop Dark Money. 00:05:52.326 --> 00:05:54.608 And and I know that's something that that's near to your 00:05:54.608 --> 00:05:55.989 hearts and certainly to mine. 00:05:56.074 --> 00:06:00.304 And I think it's got, if we get on the ballot, it has an extraordinarily 00:06:00.304 --> 00:06:01.744 good chance of being successful. 00:06:02.424 --> 00:06:08.324 Our polling statewide shows numbers in excess 90% of our fellow. 00:06:08.524 --> 00:06:12.929 state voters believe that transparency is a really good thing. 00:06:12.929 --> 00:06:15.677 We basically in the last poll, read them our a hundred word 00:06:15.677 --> 00:06:20.784 statement from this proposition and they responded at 94% favorable. 00:06:20.784 --> 00:06:23.424 Obviously it goes beyond party lines. 00:06:23.424 --> 00:06:27.114 It's something that Arizona's believe is just fair and something 00:06:27.114 --> 00:06:28.504 that we desperately need to do. 00:06:28.526 --> 00:06:30.806 One question I know I'm going to get is how we. 00:06:31.676 --> 00:06:33.622 And the answer is very positively. 00:06:33.622 --> 00:06:38.362 We're doing better than we have at this time in the 2020 election cycle, when we 00:06:38.362 --> 00:06:43.217 were so close to getting on the ballot we have a goal of 300,000 signatures. 00:06:43.757 --> 00:06:49.287 And as of this morning, I did the math and we're at 229,819. 00:06:49.592 --> 00:06:50.852 signatures in hand. 00:06:51.482 --> 00:06:55.052 So we've made a lot of progress since we filed a, you might be amused. 00:06:55.052 --> 00:06:58.502 we filed on May the fourth of 2021. 00:06:58.922 --> 00:07:04.122 So may the fourth be with you was our rally and cry didn't mean it that way. 00:07:04.122 --> 00:07:05.586 But that's just how it turned out. 00:07:06.036 --> 00:07:10.386 And hopefully that's a good sign for this effort, but in the last couple 00:07:10.386 --> 00:07:12.606 of months, I've got to say our. 00:07:13.271 --> 00:07:14.919 Signatures have trailed off. 00:07:14.949 --> 00:07:18.099 We're not as strong as we were last summer, even with all the heat. 00:07:18.609 --> 00:07:20.993 And the result is that I'm concerned. 00:07:20.993 --> 00:07:25.501 I think we need to double down and to make clear that everybody who's favorable to 00:07:25.501 --> 00:07:27.901 this proposition has a chance to sign. 00:07:28.486 --> 00:07:32.836 And everybody who supports it, hopefully all the DGT members have a petition 00:07:32.882 --> 00:07:37.239 in in your kitchen or in the back of your car or somewhere where if 00:07:37.239 --> 00:07:42.435 somebody wants to sign, you're able to facilitate that and to help us do that, 00:07:42.435 --> 00:07:46.365 especially in Southern Arizona, I'd like to introduce you to Chris Hawkins. 00:07:46.459 --> 00:07:49.091 She's formerly a resident of Pima county. 00:07:49.182 --> 00:07:53.162 She went away, she defected for a short while and lived up in the bay area. 00:07:53.162 --> 00:07:53.822 But now she's been. 00:07:54.627 --> 00:07:57.297 And we're very pleased to have her helping to coordinate. 00:07:57.297 --> 00:08:02.637 She steps into the shoes of Meryl Eisenberg, who was a strong DGT member. 00:08:02.637 --> 00:08:04.058 I now may still be and. 00:08:05.348 --> 00:08:08.838 And Amy Graves who helped us a lot with the last turnaround. 00:08:08.893 --> 00:08:11.859 And now Chris is trying to get her feet on the ground. 00:08:11.859 --> 00:08:14.842 She started at the beginning of this year and we need all the 00:08:14.842 --> 00:08:16.642 help we can get in Pima county. 00:08:16.663 --> 00:08:19.783 Chris, do you want to say a little word of introduction and allow, and. 00:08:21.743 --> 00:08:23.312 Chris Hawkins: Yeah, it's really nice to be here. 00:08:23.492 --> 00:08:26.402 As Terry said, I'm your Southern Arizona coordinator. 00:08:26.432 --> 00:08:30.392 And most of our work right now is going to have to focus in Pima county. 00:08:30.392 --> 00:08:34.202 I'm also working with coachees county and some of the other Southern ones, such 00:08:34.202 --> 00:08:36.162 as Santa Cruz and Greenlee and Graham. 00:08:36.260 --> 00:08:39.380 I am concerned as well, especially cause we're revving up. 00:08:39.410 --> 00:08:40.041 You're late. 00:08:40.041 --> 00:08:45.018 I'm trying to do as much as I can with circulators who already existed. 00:08:45.018 --> 00:08:46.248 Who've been very helpful to. 00:08:46.315 --> 00:08:49.864 Getting them re-energized a lot of people have some fatigue and we need your 00:08:49.864 --> 00:08:53.024 help to motivate and also new people. 00:08:53.103 --> 00:08:54.317 We're getting a lot of new people. 00:08:54.367 --> 00:08:59.317 I've met a lot of folks over the Pima Dems office, which is having petition 00:08:59.317 --> 00:09:02.927 signings every Saturday from 11 to one. 00:09:02.955 --> 00:09:06.366 I just was able to talk to a couple of people who will be volunteers. 00:09:06.366 --> 00:09:10.926 And if anyone here wants to help out and help me personally with. 00:09:12.171 --> 00:09:15.932 Collecting all the events, of sharing your success stories what has 00:09:15.932 --> 00:09:17.642 worked for you, that would be great. 00:09:17.709 --> 00:09:23.048 The thing is I'm trying to help people get dishes to them, but also collaborating 00:09:23.048 --> 00:09:26.318 with all of you so that we can make this work in the next three months. 00:09:26.348 --> 00:09:27.518 That's about what we have. 00:09:27.518 --> 00:09:28.898 We have till June. 00:09:29.768 --> 00:09:33.518 Mid-June because we have to gather the signatures and validate them, make 00:09:33.518 --> 00:09:35.498 sure we get the proper ones submitted. 00:09:35.948 --> 00:09:39.623 You can correct me if I'm wrong on those dates, Terry, but that's approximately it. 00:09:39.670 --> 00:09:40.810 Anything you can do to help. 00:09:40.810 --> 00:09:43.690 And I will say one more thing before I give it back to 00:09:43.690 --> 00:09:45.010 Terry with all your questions. 00:09:45.074 --> 00:09:46.168 I'm holding Zuni. 00:09:47.023 --> 00:09:52.793 Every Tuesday night from five 30 to six 30, and we may do a little huddle outside 00:09:52.793 --> 00:09:55.163 once it, the it's a little lighter later. 00:09:55.201 --> 00:09:57.331 And so I would love to see you there. 00:09:57.661 --> 00:10:01.081 The point of the meeting and the agenda will always include a time to 00:10:01.081 --> 00:10:04.441 ask questions about the petitioner's updates, where we are on our progress. 00:10:05.371 --> 00:10:09.241 I like to have a speaker or to come, especially to share success stories 00:10:09.241 --> 00:10:10.861 about what, what has worked for you. 00:10:10.861 --> 00:10:16.411 For example, Hollis lion Saddlebrook downs has been very successful with the driveway 00:10:16.951 --> 00:10:19.141 of parties where people just drive by. 00:10:19.141 --> 00:10:21.361 They can see it, they can come out, it's COVID safe. 00:10:21.393 --> 00:10:22.222 They can sign. 00:10:22.822 --> 00:10:26.122 So I need your ideas and your help and really appreciate. 00:10:27.052 --> 00:10:31.642 That you're here and I'm here sharing and thank you, please get in touch. 00:10:31.852 --> 00:10:33.562 So with that, I'll leave it to 00:10:33.562 --> 00:10:33.952 Larry Bodine: Terry. 00:10:34.192 --> 00:10:35.092 Thanks to Chris. 00:10:35.282 --> 00:10:39.472 And thanks to DGT for giving us a few minutes to talk about this. 00:10:39.516 --> 00:10:41.390 I've been a long-term member, but. 00:10:42.395 --> 00:10:44.405 I haven't been solicited this year, Mr. 00:10:44.405 --> 00:10:44.945 President. 00:10:44.992 --> 00:10:48.596 If there's a a sign up that I can get involved with I really want 00:10:48.596 --> 00:10:50.545 to be part again of this group. 00:10:50.575 --> 00:10:54.175 I think you, you help to keep the light alive and in Southern Arizona. 00:10:54.175 --> 00:10:54.805 And that means. 00:10:54.872 --> 00:10:57.346 The, for the entire state, you've been a great leader. 00:10:57.736 --> 00:10:59.296 I was just going to say, thank you very much. 00:10:59.372 --> 00:11:05.182 I'm going to unleash our director, Susie Anderson on you and get you to join. 00:11:05.182 --> 00:11:05.872 DGT. 00:11:05.962 --> 00:11:06.772 Thank you so much. 00:11:07.522 --> 00:11:10.342 Positive steps of Martin Bacall from twister. 00:11:10.342 --> 00:11:14.182 I think I've ever known let's open the floor for questions. 00:11:14.212 --> 00:11:16.792 It's one of the great benefits of Democrats, a greater Tucson. 00:11:16.802 --> 00:11:18.952 You get to ask questions and get answers. 00:11:19.697 --> 00:11:22.997 You have a question from a Warren Barbara, go read. 00:11:23.657 --> 00:11:27.707 I wanted to mention some experiences I've had with circulating in petitions. 00:11:27.707 --> 00:11:31.577 And that is that there are a lot out there from previous iterations. 00:11:32.237 --> 00:11:37.187 I walked, I was walking for a candidate in another neighborhood than mine and. 00:11:37.957 --> 00:11:39.307 When I walked into the house. 00:11:39.307 --> 00:11:42.577 So the lady put, this was a couple of years ago, a lady pulled out a petition 00:11:42.577 --> 00:11:44.317 and she said, will you sign my petition? 00:11:44.317 --> 00:11:44.587 I was. 00:11:45.307 --> 00:11:49.711 And it was one of yours, but it was several versions back. 00:11:50.491 --> 00:11:54.756 And I'm wondering if there's any process for collecting those old ones. 00:11:55.336 --> 00:11:57.286 Probably not legitimate anymore. 00:11:57.796 --> 00:11:59.386 We are trying. 00:11:59.389 --> 00:12:03.149 And there's a couple of very simple things that we try to do with this one 00:12:03.149 --> 00:12:05.018 that helped to make that distinction. 00:12:05.018 --> 00:12:08.386 It is confusing when this is the third time that we've 00:12:08.386 --> 00:12:11.296 tried to stop anonymous cash. 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:14.560 The prior effort, as I'm sure many of you will remember was 00:12:14.560 --> 00:12:15.910 called outlaw dirty money. 00:12:16.660 --> 00:12:16.930 And. 00:12:17.880 --> 00:12:21.150 We've changed that name, partly because of what you just said 00:12:21.244 --> 00:12:24.604 that people are confused as to whether they've already signed it. 00:12:24.604 --> 00:12:29.521 So now it's stopped dark money is the the tagline that we use. 00:12:29.521 --> 00:12:31.723 And that's, what's in the in the petition. 00:12:31.963 --> 00:12:35.293 It's also this time, legislative, last time we were trying to get 00:12:35.293 --> 00:12:39.733 constitutional change that requires a hundred thousand more signatures. 00:12:40.343 --> 00:12:44.373 And we wanted, I wanted the, frankly, my mental health is at stake here. 00:12:44.373 --> 00:12:46.966 Not going to try this more than three times. 00:12:47.416 --> 00:12:53.450 And so we went for the lower number of signatures and now we're, as I said a 00:12:53.450 --> 00:12:54.966 minute ago, we're getting very close. 00:12:54.966 --> 00:12:57.200 But we need your help to get over the finish line. 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:01.370 So different name, legislative versus constitutional. 00:13:01.925 --> 00:13:07.958 And I guess the most what should I say most salient detail is ask people if 00:13:07.958 --> 00:13:13.748 they're confused, if they've signed a petition on transparency this year, 00:13:14.378 --> 00:13:18.756 because this one started on may the fourth, as I mentioned anything since 00:13:18.756 --> 00:13:20.916 then, they obviously can't sign again. 00:13:21.276 --> 00:13:24.448 But if it was before may the fourth of last year they 00:13:24.448 --> 00:13:25.528 signed a different petition. 00:13:26.073 --> 00:13:26.973 Can I just add, 00:13:26.973 --> 00:13:29.763 Chris Hawkins: that's the kind of thing I'm trying to do with the zoom meeting so 00:13:29.763 --> 00:13:32.403 that people can join and we can share and 00:13:32.403 --> 00:13:32.703 Larry Bodine: learn. 00:13:33.423 --> 00:13:35.793 We have a hand up from Heather Borman. 00:13:35.853 --> 00:13:36.573 Go right ahead. 00:13:36.573 --> 00:13:37.523 Please ask you. 00:13:38.628 --> 00:13:40.548 So I want to know what happened. 00:13:40.668 --> 00:13:46.608 I know that the dark money forces are coming at you every way they can. 00:13:46.608 --> 00:13:49.982 And I'd like to know what happened to the last two efforts. 00:13:50.942 --> 00:13:52.758 You're absolutely right about that. 00:13:52.818 --> 00:13:57.545 I did try to summarize it right at the beginning, but the first time I 00:13:57.545 --> 00:14:01.085 thought, and I still believe we legally were entitled to be on the ballot. 00:14:01.565 --> 00:14:03.275 That was back in 2018. 00:14:03.955 --> 00:14:08.215 And we got attacked by Moroccans for prosperity. 00:14:08.215 --> 00:14:13.503 The Koch brothers operation nationally, they spent we'll never know how much, but 00:14:13.533 --> 00:14:17.643 my well, over a million dollars trying to challenge each of our signatures. 00:14:18.483 --> 00:14:20.125 And we were very close. 00:14:20.178 --> 00:14:26.328 When we file, we knew that it was probably in jeopardy because we only had one. 00:14:26.933 --> 00:14:30.183 30,000 more signatures that absolutely needed. 00:14:30.205 --> 00:14:33.775 And some of those we know from experience will not be valid. 00:14:34.795 --> 00:14:38.085 They went after everyone and we ended up about 2000 signatures. 00:14:38.122 --> 00:14:42.712 I won't go into all the details with the Supreme court, the trial court's 00:14:42.712 --> 00:14:47.537 decision, which was based on frankly, erroneous facts, but I'll try not 00:14:47.537 --> 00:14:49.617 to re-litigate that here today. 00:14:49.617 --> 00:14:54.225 So that kept us off the ballot in 2018 and 2020 when you were helping so much. 00:14:55.065 --> 00:15:01.155 We got really close in March of 2020, we had 300,000 signatures. 00:15:01.155 --> 00:15:03.735 Our goal that year was 347. 00:15:04.245 --> 00:15:08.871 And so I believe we were about to make it, but COVID hit, and I also want to say 00:15:08.871 --> 00:15:11.601 that I got snagged actually at the DMV. 00:15:12.351 --> 00:15:15.741 So that's a really good place to collect petitions if you're 00:15:15.741 --> 00:15:17.331 going to try to do a bunch. 00:15:17.601 --> 00:15:20.151 And do you still have paid Senator gathered? 00:15:20.180 --> 00:15:24.588 We started out with a team of were a couple of very generous supporters who 00:15:24.588 --> 00:15:26.068 wanted to make sure that we made it. 00:15:26.068 --> 00:15:30.775 So they were kind enough to get us a slug of page signatures at the beginning, 00:15:31.405 --> 00:15:33.325 which is why we're so close today. 00:15:35.445 --> 00:15:35.695 Great. 00:15:35.696 --> 00:15:40.580 Let me add one thing I think Heather's point is really well taken and there are 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:44.360 some new things in this petition that frankly weren't in the previous one. 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:50.510 I'm not saying it was deficient, but this time there were two items that 00:15:50.750 --> 00:15:57.440 I think do a lot to help us be sure that we'll survive a legal challenge. 00:15:57.770 --> 00:15:59.720 Now that I make that distinction. 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:02.700 Did their petition signature challenges. 00:16:02.700 --> 00:16:04.110 That's one kind of legal challenge. 00:16:04.350 --> 00:16:08.130 And then there ones that go after the substance of your proposition 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:14.464 and we believe the major attack would come from probably again our 00:16:14.464 --> 00:16:18.374 Americans for prosperity, maybe the Goldwater Institute here in Phoenix. 00:16:18.374 --> 00:16:20.801 They've been the main spokespeople for dark money. 00:16:21.536 --> 00:16:23.156 And what they say. 00:16:23.336 --> 00:16:28.916 I don't think it's legally valid, but what they say is that a proposition 00:16:28.916 --> 00:16:33.786 like this might endanger the privacy of certain contributors. 00:16:33.786 --> 00:16:36.856 Make it look somebody thinks something that they may regret. 00:16:37.451 --> 00:16:40.358 They were right, but that's not a valid statement. 00:16:40.383 --> 00:16:45.521 All of us who contribute to a political campaign, if it's over $50 as, have to 00:16:45.521 --> 00:16:49.571 give our name and our employer and our address, our home address, by the way. 00:16:49.580 --> 00:16:53.889 So I don't know why they think some people's privacy is more important 00:16:53.889 --> 00:16:55.552 than others, but they obviously do. 00:16:55.589 --> 00:16:57.779 But we wanted to protect against that argument. 00:16:57.779 --> 00:17:00.490 So you notice and Larry said this in the introduction. 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.580 The cutoff for disclosure is $5,000 or more. 00:17:04.618 --> 00:17:08.998 My theory on that is that $5,000 is a pretty knowledgeable contributor. 00:17:09.508 --> 00:17:11.848 They're not a small contributor. 00:17:11.928 --> 00:17:17.323 Somebody who might have been, making a contribution that that they could 00:17:17.323 --> 00:17:22.569 be harmed if it was somehow disclosed to their employer, for example, that 00:17:22.569 --> 00:17:26.019 they had given a hundred dollars to planned parenthood or to of the. 00:17:26.544 --> 00:17:29.604 More controversial because obviously they're not going to 00:17:29.604 --> 00:17:31.224 be caught in this disclosure. 00:17:31.674 --> 00:17:36.372 Now I'm not here saying that, that we should do away with our current disclosure 00:17:36.402 --> 00:17:38.442 for everybody who gives over $50. 00:17:38.442 --> 00:17:43.872 I think it's important to know who's involved in supporting political speech. 00:17:44.967 --> 00:17:47.277 And that's what the Supreme court has said over and over again. 00:17:47.307 --> 00:17:50.787 They've said there is no right to hide in our constitution. 00:17:51.057 --> 00:17:55.267 If you're a contributor to a political speech. 00:17:55.267 --> 00:17:57.769 The other thing we did, and this is a little more in the weeds, 00:17:58.909 --> 00:18:00.649 but it's new for this proposition. 00:18:01.459 --> 00:18:03.379 We basically said that if. 00:18:04.534 --> 00:18:08.655 If somebody if this is passed and the disclosure has to be made with the 00:18:08.655 --> 00:18:14.715 secretary of state's office, anybody who is spending money for persuasion, 00:18:14.925 --> 00:18:19.515 who previously did not disclose their contributors, they were C4 is largely, 00:18:20.265 --> 00:18:24.075 they have to tell their contributor that they might be disclosed. 00:18:24.885 --> 00:18:29.745 And they give them three months, excuse me, three weeks after that disclosure 00:18:30.105 --> 00:18:32.655 to say, I'd prefer not to be disclosed. 00:18:32.955 --> 00:18:38.715 I want my money used for something other than political speech, something 00:18:38.745 --> 00:18:40.275 other than media advertising. 00:18:41.445 --> 00:18:43.365 And I think that's really important because it means 00:18:43.365 --> 00:18:44.745 nobody's going to get snuckered. 00:18:45.195 --> 00:18:47.715 Nobody's going to get disclosed who didn't fully know. 00:18:48.900 --> 00:18:49.990 That this was possible. 00:18:50.055 --> 00:18:54.135 And I think that gives us an extra level of defense that we didn't have before, and 00:18:54.135 --> 00:18:59.145 frankly could be important in the Arizona Supreme court, or if it's federally 00:18:59.145 --> 00:19:00.735 challenged, the U S Supreme court. 00:19:01.935 --> 00:19:02.385 Thank you. 00:19:02.385 --> 00:19:05.625 I didn't mean to go deeply in the weeds, but I thought you might find that. 00:19:05.625 --> 00:19:06.105 Interesting. 00:19:06.195 --> 00:19:06.675 That's good. 00:19:07.695 --> 00:19:08.795 It's very interesting. 00:19:08.834 --> 00:19:12.734 Let's turn now to Lee Oler, a member of our board who has her hand raised. 00:19:12.764 --> 00:19:13.484 Go ahead, Lee. 00:19:13.814 --> 00:19:19.184 If there are Eisenberg has a list of the previous people 00:19:19.184 --> 00:19:20.804 that checked out petitions. 00:19:21.044 --> 00:19:24.224 I don't know Chris, if you have that or if you can get that information from. 00:19:25.269 --> 00:19:26.889 It would be wonderful if you could. 00:19:26.889 --> 00:19:31.329 And I think a lot of us would be glad to call if Terry thinks that's a good idea. 00:19:31.919 --> 00:19:32.919 It's a great idea. 00:19:33.999 --> 00:19:36.369 Chris Hawkins: Looking for volunteers like yourself as heartwarming. 00:19:36.369 --> 00:19:37.629 That's exactly what we need. 00:19:38.139 --> 00:19:39.759 I'm one person right now. 00:19:39.789 --> 00:19:44.139 I'm relearning a lot about where to go and what's happening in today's. 00:19:44.934 --> 00:19:46.044 I've got those names. 00:19:46.044 --> 00:19:47.184 We have a database. 00:19:47.269 --> 00:19:49.639 I can share phone numbers with you and that sort of thing. 00:19:49.639 --> 00:19:52.639 If you come to the zoom tonight, which I did put, or tomorrow night, which I 00:19:52.639 --> 00:19:56.281 did put in the chat we'll be talking more about those kinds of things. 00:19:56.351 --> 00:19:58.811 Maybe later, 00:20:01.631 --> 00:20:05.501 Larry Bodine: Oh, I didn't get your input and your phone will get in touch with you. 00:20:05.501 --> 00:20:08.201 And thank you for that comment because great. 00:20:08.201 --> 00:20:08.561 Thank you. 00:20:08.561 --> 00:20:11.021 Terry people have done this twice before. 00:20:11.021 --> 00:20:16.451 They're justifiably tired and I hope we can make the point that this time 00:20:16.451 --> 00:20:18.008 we're going to make it with their help. 00:20:20.103 --> 00:20:20.523 Thanks. 00:20:20.523 --> 00:20:27.663 Larry Carrie, I have a petition and Chris from last summer that I got is that 00:20:27.663 --> 00:20:33.153 the one we're currently using when all the other petitions came out, you say 00:20:33.173 --> 00:20:38.313 also sent out the dark money petitions. 00:20:38.853 --> 00:20:47.733 So I have those, and I assume I was told that they needed to be in by July 7th. 00:20:47.763 --> 00:20:51.767 20, 22, are they the petitions that we need? 00:20:52.937 --> 00:20:59.372 They are and July 7th is the final deadline, but let me be clear, Chris had 00:20:59.372 --> 00:21:02.839 it, if anybody waits until the seventh, I'm afraid those signatures aren't 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:07.099 going to count because we won't have had time to get them into the process. 00:21:07.099 --> 00:21:12.559 So please consider the end of June to be the deadline and the correct. 00:21:13.219 --> 00:21:16.969 Petition, we're not allowed to put editorial comments in red, across 00:21:16.969 --> 00:21:20.689 the top of the petition, but this one in the a hundred word statement 00:21:20.689 --> 00:21:22.849 starts out this voters, right? 00:21:22.849 --> 00:21:26.869 To know, act secures for Arizona voters, the right to know who 00:21:26.869 --> 00:21:28.249 is trying to influence Arizona. 00:21:28.929 --> 00:21:30.519 That's the one we're talking about. 00:21:30.849 --> 00:21:34.261 It's an act, not a constitutional amendment and I guess 00:21:34.621 --> 00:21:35.791 show showing it this way. 00:21:35.791 --> 00:21:40.651 Probably doesn't they very much I don't know if it even shows up. 00:21:40.921 --> 00:21:41.461 There we go. 00:21:42.796 --> 00:21:47.266 But it's the act, not the constitutional amendment. 00:21:47.266 --> 00:21:50.656 If you've got constitutional amendment petitions, please just, 00:21:50.656 --> 00:21:52.456 unfortunately we have to destroy those. 00:21:52.456 --> 00:21:54.076 So we don't get confused. 00:21:55.366 --> 00:21:58.666 Andrea Kennedy, Andrea, go ahead and unmute yourself and ask. 00:21:58.683 --> 00:21:59.446 Thank you, Larry. 00:21:59.566 --> 00:22:01.426 I might've signed a petition 00:22:01.426 --> 00:22:03.556 Chris Hawkins: before last may or last March. 00:22:03.676 --> 00:22:05.296 And how do I find out if I signed 00:22:05.296 --> 00:22:05.986 Larry Bodine: the new one? 00:22:06.136 --> 00:22:08.326 And if I sign it again, will it be a problem? 00:22:08.776 --> 00:22:09.856 Thank you for that question. 00:22:09.856 --> 00:22:13.299 Cause I know people there's so much in Arizona law that makes it hard. 00:22:14.399 --> 00:22:20.715 Yes initiative that and I'm sure all those details about signing between 00:22:20.715 --> 00:22:22.957 the lines and being very careful. 00:22:22.959 --> 00:22:28.365 But if you have any questions again if you signed since may and you can 00:22:28.365 --> 00:22:32.805 remember that you did versus last summer, then that's the current petition. 00:22:33.255 --> 00:22:34.455 So don't do it again. 00:22:34.483 --> 00:22:35.293 If you're not sure. 00:22:35.357 --> 00:22:39.310 Please let me encourage you to sign because the worst that will 00:22:39.310 --> 00:22:42.508 happen and frankly, the secretary of state will pick up duplicates. 00:22:43.258 --> 00:22:46.228 And so the second signature just won't count. 00:22:46.888 --> 00:22:48.508 There is no penalty. 00:22:48.508 --> 00:22:52.118 There is no a doesn't disqualify other signatures on the petition. 00:22:52.118 --> 00:22:56.923 It simply in effect is virtually lined out the second time. 00:22:56.945 --> 00:22:58.985 So if you're unsure. 00:22:59.550 --> 00:23:02.692 Please do it again because we, it's complicated. 00:23:03.052 --> 00:23:04.492 We've done it twice before. 00:23:04.702 --> 00:23:07.432 It's very possible that you signed the constitutional 00:23:07.762 --> 00:23:09.742 initiative and not this one. 00:23:09.742 --> 00:23:15.698 So please give us the benefit of that signature, like to Mike Brian, Mike I 00:23:15.698 --> 00:23:17.168 understand you have a questions from the. 00:23:19.153 --> 00:23:21.507 I do Robert Butler had a question. 00:23:21.537 --> 00:23:25.587 He was wondering if you're aware of other states that have the same or 00:23:25.587 --> 00:23:29.367 similar disclosure provisions as the one that you're proposing for Arizona. 00:23:30.447 --> 00:23:31.611 I wish there were. 00:23:31.644 --> 00:23:35.364 But right now, if we can get this on the ballot and get it passed, we 00:23:35.364 --> 00:23:39.093 would be, perhaps we go from last to first, the best way to put it. 00:23:39.104 --> 00:23:42.354 Arizona today is the most tolerant in the country of dark money. 00:23:42.372 --> 00:23:48.462 And with this proposition, I think we would have the best in place legislation 00:23:48.972 --> 00:23:50.982 for finding the original sources. 00:23:51.043 --> 00:23:53.843 Let me give you a quick example of what other states do. 00:23:53.893 --> 00:23:57.523 California has a very large, this is very Califor. 00:23:57.587 --> 00:24:02.220 They have a large bureaucracy that tracks contributions. 00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:06.780 And I think there were 400 people including about a hundred lawyers that are 00:24:06.780 --> 00:24:09.780 in that particular agency in California. 00:24:10.560 --> 00:24:15.727 But even there, they can't track back before the camp back multiple generations. 00:24:16.357 --> 00:24:18.487 In other words, what we're dealing with here today. 00:24:19.347 --> 00:24:21.087 Really legal money laundering. 00:24:21.125 --> 00:24:24.416 We've got folks who don't want to have their identity known. 00:24:24.416 --> 00:24:28.046 So they go through exactly the same procedures that the drug 00:24:28.046 --> 00:24:31.766 cartels do when they're trying to hide the source of their cash. 00:24:31.780 --> 00:24:35.650 I know a little about that because as your attorney general, we prosecuted a 00:24:35.650 --> 00:24:37.450 lot of drug cartels for money laundering. 00:24:37.484 --> 00:24:41.744 So what is surprised to find out that the same techniques were being used 00:24:41.744 --> 00:24:46.707 legally by corporations and wealthy individuals who didn't want their identity 00:24:46.707 --> 00:24:48.907 known to the public, the voting public. 00:24:48.907 --> 00:24:54.674 So we've So w we as California, New York has a very strong 00:24:54.674 --> 00:24:56.294 and I dark money provision. 00:24:56.774 --> 00:25:00.914 But the reason for that is nonprofit corporations are regulated in New York, 00:25:00.914 --> 00:25:05.231 by the attorney General's office, not true in any other state and they pass 00:25:05.321 --> 00:25:08.081 really tough disclosure regulations. 00:25:08.776 --> 00:25:10.576 It didn't have to go through their legislature. 00:25:10.966 --> 00:25:13.223 So that's one of the reasons that state has very little 00:25:13.223 --> 00:25:14.646 dark money at the local level. 00:25:14.657 --> 00:25:16.937 Some of the other Eastern states are an island. 00:25:16.937 --> 00:25:20.160 Delaware, Connecticut have pretty good disclosure rules 00:25:20.199 --> 00:25:21.619 certainly much better than ours. 00:25:21.619 --> 00:25:22.515 But they don't go. 00:25:22.515 --> 00:25:24.495 As far as this proposition would go. 00:25:24.495 --> 00:25:27.765 The nearest analogy is the disclosed that. 00:25:28.575 --> 00:25:34.168 Also known as HR one, the us Congress that is very similar to what we're 00:25:34.168 --> 00:25:39.118 proposing here in terms of how you trace the money back to the original source. 00:25:39.186 --> 00:25:42.876 And that's not a surprise, the same people that counseled on 00:25:42.876 --> 00:25:44.076 the drafting of the disclosing. 00:25:44.129 --> 00:25:48.860 Where the group in Washington that we hope to draft this proposition, it's 00:25:48.860 --> 00:25:50.710 called the the campaign legal center. 00:25:51.070 --> 00:25:55.330 It's a bipartisan group of lawyers, mostly previous FEC lawyers. 00:25:55.810 --> 00:25:59.620 And they were a huge help to us and trying to get this put together. 00:26:00.040 --> 00:26:04.244 And they were also a big help to it, to Congress and getting the disclose act. 00:26:04.244 --> 00:26:08.323 Now, People immediately say if the disclose act passes, then 00:26:08.323 --> 00:26:10.433 you don't need stop dark money. 00:26:10.443 --> 00:26:11.133 Not true. 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.196 The disclose act if it's fast and I hope very strongly that it will be only 00:26:15.196 --> 00:26:18.986 applies to federal graces to Senate and Congress and to the presidency. 00:26:19.056 --> 00:26:22.746 What stop dark money applies to is everything else at the state level. 00:26:23.046 --> 00:26:27.216 So it would be statewide offices, legislative offices, city, council, 00:26:27.216 --> 00:26:28.656 offices, and school board offices. 00:26:29.171 --> 00:26:34.511 In other words, everything down below the federal would be covered by ours. 00:26:34.511 --> 00:26:36.252 So let me just say very passionately. 00:26:36.252 --> 00:26:36.852 We need both. 00:26:38.472 --> 00:26:38.742 Yeah. 00:26:38.802 --> 00:26:42.312 I think we've exhausted all of the questions from the audience. 00:26:42.702 --> 00:26:46.600 Would you tell us how people can get ahold of you, how they can 00:26:46.600 --> 00:26:50.950 volunteer and what we can do on crops of greater Tucson to support. 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.860 Thank you, Larry at the first thing, and I hope this happened soon as is 00:26:55.860 --> 00:27:01.019 go back to having in-person meetings, where we can circulate petitions but 00:27:01.049 --> 00:27:06.144 absent that, which has always been a very strong source of good support 00:27:06.144 --> 00:27:11.106 for not just this, but so many other public publicly oriented initiative. 00:27:11.106 --> 00:27:12.480 Please go to the website. 00:27:12.810 --> 00:27:14.670 It stopped dark money.com. 00:27:14.670 --> 00:27:19.890 And if you're still in our past environment, which was outlaw, dirty 00:27:19.890 --> 00:27:23.363 money that outlaw dirty money.com also gets you to the same way. 00:27:23.421 --> 00:27:27.822 That has significant information how to volunteer how to contribute 00:27:27.822 --> 00:27:29.938 if you want to there you go. 00:27:30.009 --> 00:27:31.359 That's our website. 00:27:31.389 --> 00:27:32.401 Thank you for putting it out. 00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:36.261 And with, I think a very graphic presentation that says here's what 00:27:36.261 --> 00:27:37.861 dark money does to our voters. 00:27:37.882 --> 00:27:40.759 I thought that said it as well as I possibly could do it. 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.556 But the website is, I think, straightforward to the point. 00:27:45.161 --> 00:27:49.411 Chris has put in the chat, the local contacts that you can do to to get 00:27:49.411 --> 00:27:50.923 in touch with us here in Pima county. 00:27:50.994 --> 00:27:53.484 But sign up on the website or call Chris. 00:27:53.904 --> 00:27:56.304 We want to get a petition into your hands. 00:27:56.304 --> 00:27:58.301 If you don't have one already that's our mission. 00:27:58.331 --> 00:28:01.211 That's what we need to do so that we can make it this year. 00:28:01.541 --> 00:28:02.580 And please. 00:28:03.545 --> 00:28:07.745 Please raise your hand figuratively to let us mail a petition to you or 00:28:08.105 --> 00:28:11.019 to come by and pick one up at the various places that I know Chris 00:28:11.019 --> 00:28:12.259 is going to have them available. 00:28:12.261 --> 00:28:16.701 But thanks again for DGT for the honor of being here with you 00:28:16.701 --> 00:28:18.921 today on Arizona statehood day. 00:28:19.311 --> 00:28:23.154 And thank you so much for all the support that you've given to this proposition. 00:28:23.180 --> 00:28:24.750 This is where the push comes in, though. 00:28:24.750 --> 00:28:26.377 We need that support more than ever, right? 00:28:27.752 --> 00:28:31.412 I want to say, thank you so much for appearing at our meeting today. 00:28:31.802 --> 00:28:35.402 I think you're talking to a crowd of people who are eager to volunteer 00:28:35.642 --> 00:28:39.362 so that we can finally get rid of secret donations that are funding 00:28:39.362 --> 00:28:41.432 campaigns and Canada's seas. 00:28:41.762 --> 00:28:44.612 And with that, I'm going to end the regular meeting. 00:28:44.612 --> 00:28:46.352 And thank you so much again, Terry. 00:28:46.382 --> 00:28:47.641 Thank Jerry, thank you. 00:28:47.655 --> 00:28:48.645 And a pleasure to be here. 00:28:48.825 --> 00:28:49.245 Thanks.