WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:08.280 --> 00:00:08.700 Stephen Drew: Hello? 00:00:09.690 --> 00:00:10.560 Hello everyone. 00:00:12.730 --> 00:00:13.690 How are we? 00:00:14.170 --> 00:00:20.020 I am just arrived early just to make sure everything's getting set up is I have got 00:00:20.020 --> 00:00:26.590 my new computer here, so it's all about getting things set up, but while we wait. 00:00:38.400 --> 00:00:41.040 Let me get off in two minutes, 00:00:44.670 --> 00:00:45.420 joined the music, 00:00:56.790 --> 00:00:57.269 Stephen. 00:00:58.530 --> 00:01:02.340 Well, I just want to make it as nice, both as possible. 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:08.670 Go make you a moderator. 00:01:09.630 --> 00:01:12.630 I still, I still never, never do it. 00:01:13.140 --> 00:01:15.180 Flip house etiquette is wasted on me. 00:01:16.620 --> 00:01:19.800 Hey, everyone in the audience, we're going to kick off the 00:01:19.800 --> 00:01:22.440 one minute so we can turn off. 00:01:23.715 --> 00:01:25.785 So while look, it's been a while. 00:01:25.845 --> 00:01:26.385 Okay. 00:01:26.715 --> 00:01:31.065 I haven't done an Architecture, Social clubhouse for a little while. 00:01:31.275 --> 00:01:32.445 I've been busy. 00:01:32.445 --> 00:01:33.705 I've been terrible. 00:01:33.975 --> 00:01:37.245 We've probably before he jumped into it, if you want to check out 00:01:37.245 --> 00:01:41.075 Jason and he's going to explain much more later, Jason runs regular G 00:01:41.085 --> 00:01:46.515 a a at the global Arctics Alliance club, the club club on club house. 00:01:46.515 --> 00:01:48.315 And I really think you should recommend it. 00:01:48.405 --> 00:01:53.115 I really think you should check it out, but the reason why I fought it 00:01:53.115 --> 00:01:58.185 would be good to do this topic is because earlier I think mid December, 00:01:58.425 --> 00:02:03.975 I got totally sucked in to this world of NFTs and met the verses. 00:02:03.975 --> 00:02:05.895 And at first I was like, what the heck? 00:02:05.895 --> 00:02:08.085 A man of us I've been playing video games. 00:02:08.085 --> 00:02:09.975 I've been playing MMOs for years. 00:02:09.975 --> 00:02:11.295 That's nothing new. 00:02:11.685 --> 00:02:12.255 That's nothing. 00:02:12.255 --> 00:02:15.945 They were at home and actually working in the office of Accuray Lowery. 00:02:16.245 --> 00:02:18.855 Someone sent me a meme about NFT. 00:02:19.650 --> 00:02:24.060 Saying how irrelevant they are, how you can copy and paste them. 00:02:24.359 --> 00:02:27.780 And I completely laughed and I've fought brilliant. 00:02:28.140 --> 00:02:29.760 What a, what a waste of time. 00:02:29.790 --> 00:02:30.810 This is hilarious. 00:02:30.810 --> 00:02:31.650 This is funny. 00:02:32.040 --> 00:02:40.709 And then why I, the more and more research I did on NFTs, non fungible tokens. 00:02:40.740 --> 00:02:43.829 I think that's the definition should probably have a look 00:02:43.890 --> 00:02:49.410 at that before I started, but yeah, and FTS, I thought, Hmm. 00:02:49.440 --> 00:02:54.359 Maybe there's something here and it's a divisive topic, the blockchain 00:02:54.690 --> 00:02:59.040 and FTS, the ma of first, how that all works in the architecture world. 00:02:59.310 --> 00:03:03.240 And at the same time though, it is an interesting prospect. 00:03:03.750 --> 00:03:04.690 It's virtual. 00:03:06.084 --> 00:03:09.885 And the talking about the blockchain and FTS, what can be 00:03:09.885 --> 00:03:11.894 done in the built environment? 00:03:11.894 --> 00:03:17.385 How can we as architects use them, but so that all that in mind, I for 00:03:17.625 --> 00:03:22.515 we would do this special and we can find out together what the fuck. 00:03:22.845 --> 00:03:23.114 Alright. 00:03:23.114 --> 00:03:23.894 And FTS. 00:03:24.375 --> 00:03:29.804 And so I'm joined by Jason biome, who is a seasoned architect and 00:03:29.804 --> 00:03:32.954 Jason has his notepad ready. 00:03:33.285 --> 00:03:33.734 All right. 00:03:33.975 --> 00:03:35.685 So I don't know why. 00:03:37.274 --> 00:03:37.515 Yeah. 00:03:37.515 --> 00:03:40.095 So exactly. 00:03:40.095 --> 00:03:42.495 So we're going to do it together. 00:03:42.674 --> 00:03:48.135 We need to explain to Jason the Gabba that no pad needs to be for a really useful 00:03:48.285 --> 00:03:55.125 knowledge of by the time that Jason leaves so that he can make his millions in NFTs. 00:03:55.154 --> 00:03:58.815 Or he can say to me, Steve, what a load of rubbish. 00:03:59.234 --> 00:03:59.685 All right. 00:04:00.165 --> 00:04:00.435 So. 00:04:01.350 --> 00:04:05.010 I'm going to talk about it a little bit, but really it's for 00:04:05.040 --> 00:04:07.020 opening up the conversation. 00:04:07.320 --> 00:04:11.010 And if there's anyone in the audience and I can see one or two names from 00:04:11.010 --> 00:04:15.450 this space, once the come on stage, and maybe you can explain it much, 00:04:15.450 --> 00:04:20.640 much, much, much, much better than me, that wouldn't be hard, but 00:04:20.640 --> 00:04:22.830 you would be welcome on the stage. 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:24.540 So raise your hands. 00:04:24.810 --> 00:04:29.580 And Jason will help me as well, inviting people to the stage. 00:04:29.580 --> 00:04:33.660 So come on guys, and guys and girls in the audience, raise your 00:04:33.660 --> 00:04:36.000 hand and join us on the stage. 00:04:36.270 --> 00:04:39.960 If you'd like to talk a little bit about this on a first 00:04:39.960 --> 00:04:41.520 point, though, let's open up. 00:04:42.050 --> 00:04:46.260 Let's talk about what we all think and their teas are. 00:04:46.590 --> 00:04:51.240 So my first foray looking into NFTs. 00:04:52.545 --> 00:04:56.445 The first one I saw Jason and we were talking about it earlier was, uh, 00:04:56.905 --> 00:05:03.705 I believe Anna like a 3d designer who sold the house as an NFT. 00:05:04.065 --> 00:05:08.925 And there was the first house or $500,000. 00:05:09.135 --> 00:05:12.525 And I was thinking, how the hell is this possible? 00:05:12.765 --> 00:05:13.305 Yeah, I know. 00:05:13.305 --> 00:05:13.605 Right. 00:05:13.995 --> 00:05:16.935 And then also I was looking at the visuals and I was thinking, 00:05:17.595 --> 00:05:21.945 I can do that myself, but there's a lot more complicated than that. 00:05:22.215 --> 00:05:24.255 It is a lot more complicated. 00:05:24.735 --> 00:05:29.985 So how do you even get into it or what isn't NFT and what 00:05:30.105 --> 00:05:33.285 different and F teas can you have? 00:05:34.005 --> 00:05:37.845 So I can see a few names here as well. 00:05:38.055 --> 00:05:38.535 Yami. 00:05:38.565 --> 00:05:42.315 Good to see you in the audience and Russell, I'm sure I'd love to hear 00:05:42.315 --> 00:05:44.475 your thoughts in the tech space. 00:05:45.225 --> 00:05:49.365 Are people talking about, but come on there's anyone more than put 00:05:49.365 --> 00:05:50.835 their hand up, come to the stage. 00:05:51.795 --> 00:05:52.275 Come on. 00:05:52.665 --> 00:05:53.085 Come on. 00:05:53.625 --> 00:05:57.045 Am I going to put the elevator music on again or wait for someone? 00:06:07.725 --> 00:06:08.445 Come on. 00:06:08.445 --> 00:06:10.065 We got no one, Jason. 00:06:10.065 --> 00:06:10.485 Huh? 00:06:10.725 --> 00:06:12.915 This is going to be me talking for five minutes. 00:06:12.945 --> 00:06:19.515 Yes, we've got, we've got someone who's raised their hands, who I'm actually 00:06:19.755 --> 00:06:25.695 going to be recording a podcast with, thank you at Donna for saving my bacon 00:06:26.745 --> 00:06:32.385 because I make the stage, but really I need an expert to help me out on this. 00:06:32.685 --> 00:06:36.405 So do you want to introduce yourself to the room down there? 00:06:37.185 --> 00:06:37.935 Yeah, sure. 00:06:37.965 --> 00:06:38.805 Adonis Zachariades: Hi everyone. 00:06:38.895 --> 00:06:44.475 Um, I'm definitely not an expert in NFC, so otherwise it seems I'm building my own. 00:06:45.015 --> 00:06:49.335 And if C niche, NFC marketplace for 3d design. 00:06:50.370 --> 00:06:50.849 Stephen Drew: Um, 00:06:51.840 --> 00:06:56.460 Adonis Zachariades: it's called . Uh, we are going to be launching a really 00:06:56.460 --> 00:07:02.190 soon together with some interesting features, like a larger file sizes, 00:07:02.520 --> 00:07:07.770 different file formats for NFCS and who wished to, to help build 00:07:08.190 --> 00:07:13.020 and open and in terrible problem, metaverse through architects and NFTs. 00:07:13.469 --> 00:07:15.960 So what do you want to hear from me? 00:07:15.960 --> 00:07:17.909 What do you want me to say? 00:07:17.909 --> 00:07:19.880 Why, why did I start. 00:07:22.755 --> 00:07:23.294 Well, good. 00:07:24.075 --> 00:07:25.215 Stephen Drew: Well, good question. 00:07:25.275 --> 00:07:26.835 We'll discover it together. 00:07:26.864 --> 00:07:31.215 This could be like a practice for our podcast with me when we do it, right? 00:07:31.275 --> 00:07:31.994 Why not? 00:07:32.025 --> 00:07:32.594 Who cares? 00:07:33.065 --> 00:07:35.655 So there's a few stores online, right. 00:07:35.655 --> 00:07:36.494 Currently right now. 00:07:36.494 --> 00:07:41.354 So for anyone that's listening to me, ramble on and wants to see what an NFT 00:07:41.354 --> 00:07:46.724 is, probably the easiest way to find the NFTs as a Stein point, it's on a 00:07:46.724 --> 00:07:50.054 website called open seed.io, right? 00:07:50.085 --> 00:07:55.335 And that is a large marketplace, but there's some limitations isn't 00:07:55.335 --> 00:07:57.854 there done this and what you can actually put on there right now. 00:07:57.854 --> 00:07:59.655 So it's tends to be images. 00:07:59.835 --> 00:08:04.844 It can be, I guess it can link to documents and artworks and, and 00:08:05.174 --> 00:08:10.575 basically the premise is of an NFT, a non fungible token, right? 00:08:10.575 --> 00:08:17.145 Is that if someone owns the NFT, someone buys then nifty. 00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:23.100 Basically saying in the virtual space that they are the person that 00:08:23.100 --> 00:08:25.530 has the ownership of that item. 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:27.780 Is that yeah. 00:08:27.930 --> 00:08:31.020 Adonis Zachariades: Where do you think that's exactly that an NFC and I'm 00:08:31.020 --> 00:08:35.340 not going to go into details about the blockchain and everything like that. 00:08:35.610 --> 00:08:38.220 It's simply digital ownership. 00:08:38.340 --> 00:08:39.270 That's what I call it. 00:08:39.750 --> 00:08:45.600 So just like you own your car and you simply have a deed that says that the car 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:50.820 is yours and you need to take care for it and you need to take it to an emergency. 00:08:51.390 --> 00:08:53.010 It's exactly the same thing. 00:08:53.040 --> 00:08:57.990 You have a certificate of ownership for something now, 00:08:58.020 --> 00:08:59.910 lately we see with pictures. 00:08:59.910 --> 00:09:01.950 So a lot of people are scratching their heads. 00:09:02.220 --> 00:09:06.330 Why would I need a certificate of ownership for a picture and okay. 00:09:06.570 --> 00:09:08.340 But it's so much more than that. 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.620 So for me, it's, it's exactly that I income. 00:09:13.740 --> 00:09:16.380 I capsulate everything is. 00:09:17.385 --> 00:09:19.575 At digital certificate of ownership. 00:09:19.695 --> 00:09:22.965 And then I just don't go beyond that is the easiest way to think about it. 00:09:23.595 --> 00:09:23.985 Stephen Drew: Great. 00:09:24.255 --> 00:09:26.145 I think that's really, really useful. 00:09:26.355 --> 00:09:29.955 And probably, and this can be at the end of the implied because 00:09:30.195 --> 00:09:31.905 we haven't discussed this before. 00:09:32.115 --> 00:09:37.845 So another way to visualize a little bit more about NFTs and what 00:09:37.845 --> 00:09:42.075 you're up to is actually on your current website, which is Reno v.io. 00:09:42.075 --> 00:09:43.365 And that is really interesting. 00:09:43.365 --> 00:09:47.625 So you're currently developing this marketplace and that's what tailored 00:09:47.835 --> 00:09:53.565 more towards architects, more towards designers, more towards, uh, dealing 00:09:53.565 --> 00:09:59.205 with larger, um, files, lots of Fredy formats, because currently on the 00:09:59.205 --> 00:10:04.365 open sea, you CA you can't really put anything more than 40 megabytes. 00:10:04.365 --> 00:10:08.205 And that has to be one or two very particular file formats. 00:10:08.205 --> 00:10:08.565 Right? 00:10:08.565 --> 00:10:13.420 So for an architect, Uh, currently, if you were just using the current 00:10:13.439 --> 00:10:18.270 existing marketplaces to make an NFT, you'd have to be looking at 00:10:18.270 --> 00:10:21.510 doing images and that kind of stuff. 00:10:21.540 --> 00:10:21.750 Right. 00:10:21.750 --> 00:10:24.359 Because you can't necessarily put the Fredy model on there. 00:10:24.900 --> 00:10:25.469 Is that right? 00:10:26.670 --> 00:10:28.079 Adonis Zachariades: That's exactly right. 00:10:28.890 --> 00:10:29.099 Can 00:10:29.099 --> 00:10:29.640 Stephen Drew: you hear me? 00:10:30.030 --> 00:10:30.359 Yeah. 00:10:30.569 --> 00:10:31.260 Yeah, yeah. 00:10:31.680 --> 00:10:32.010 I love it. 00:10:32.490 --> 00:10:34.109 Are we in the kitchen or something away? 00:10:34.469 --> 00:10:38.120 Adonis Zachariades: Uh, I was going to make some tea that, uh, put your, 00:10:38.140 --> 00:10:39.689 my headphones while I'm doing that. 00:10:39.959 --> 00:10:46.500 Uh, uh, no worries, but without putting to shame a pen, see, would you send 00:10:46.500 --> 00:10:48.599 an amazing marketplace by the way? 00:10:48.680 --> 00:10:53.579 And they were in, they are the pioneers within the space, um, ICO. 00:10:53.579 --> 00:10:58.229 Pennsy just like we see Amazon, they can sell anything and everything, 00:10:58.439 --> 00:10:59.490 and they're really good at it. 00:10:59.729 --> 00:11:00.839 And they, and they. 00:11:01.680 --> 00:11:05.940 And they're really famous for it, but what do we see that is happening? 00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:11.970 Is that us more, as the NFCS capture more than imagination of 00:11:11.970 --> 00:11:14.100 people, they become more famous. 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:19.440 We're going to see more niche NFC marketplaces specifically for the 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:25.800 reasons that, uh, for, for example, for specific reasons that you want to 00:11:26.040 --> 00:11:30.600 create an FTS, for example, architecture, that's a really interesting vertical 00:11:30.780 --> 00:11:32.790 that should have its own marketplace. 00:11:32.970 --> 00:11:37.860 Just like you go on behind SU so appreciate some art or you go to dribbles, 00:11:37.860 --> 00:11:39.690 appreciate websites and 3d design. 00:11:39.690 --> 00:11:43.500 For example, you should be going to this specific NFC marketplace 00:11:43.830 --> 00:11:45.990 to purchase this specific NFC that. 00:11:46.875 --> 00:11:50.115 Within your area, such as hierarchy the picture. 00:11:50.475 --> 00:11:52.605 Now you've touched on a really good point. 00:11:52.875 --> 00:11:57.375 Open, see, allows you to mince up to a hundred megabytes and you're actually 00:11:57.375 --> 00:12:04.694 pushing if you're mincing a 200 megabytes, uh, with, uh, three 3d file formats. 00:12:04.694 --> 00:12:10.215 I think it's, uh, OBJ FBX, and glTF now, you know, better than me. 00:12:10.215 --> 00:12:11.175 I'm not an architect. 00:12:11.205 --> 00:12:14.625 I'm actually an economies and financial realities as a background. 00:12:15.255 --> 00:12:20.265 But architects creates in various four months, depending on what 00:12:20.265 --> 00:12:25.455 they feel more comfortable with tools they use, uh, et cetera. 00:12:25.875 --> 00:12:29.985 When we were creating this marketplace because architects are hard. 00:12:30.314 --> 00:12:36.645 We want to allow for these architects to create in what they're comfortable with 00:12:37.035 --> 00:12:39.075 a new one to make them create source. 00:12:39.075 --> 00:12:45.555 And we want to allow them to publish what they have in mind as an NFC, without any. 00:12:46.545 --> 00:12:48.405 Really limitations. 00:12:49.365 --> 00:12:52.095 And, uh, and that's why we built it this way. 00:12:52.335 --> 00:12:56.715 Now open C is really good when it comes to other kinds of NFTs, like 00:12:56.715 --> 00:13:02.025 the generative NFTs, those 10,000 arts and FTS that you hear everywhere, 00:13:02.235 --> 00:13:04.814 like got club or crypto Pines. 00:13:05.325 --> 00:13:09.375 It's it's ideal when you want to sell something like that. 00:13:09.765 --> 00:13:14.265 But when you're moving away from that, you need something more specialized. 00:13:14.685 --> 00:13:15.105 Yeah. 00:13:15.285 --> 00:13:15.645 Stephen Drew: Yeah. 00:13:15.675 --> 00:13:16.485 It's interesting. 00:13:16.485 --> 00:13:21.375 And I think that's what can be tricky about understanding it and NFT it at 00:13:21.495 --> 00:13:26.355 first, because what you're talking about, some of the tactical issues, 00:13:26.355 --> 00:13:28.005 which will be really interesting. 00:13:28.185 --> 00:13:32.955 So you were Novi open up that, as you said, open it up to an architect and 00:13:32.955 --> 00:13:36.495 share a 3d model made in different softwares, Mitch, maybe a big. 00:13:37.710 --> 00:13:41.250 That's really, really interesting, but I guess what's, it's hard to 00:13:41.250 --> 00:13:43.890 get your head around that first, when you're first getting into 00:13:43.890 --> 00:13:48.150 NFTs, the variety of NFTs is huge. 00:13:48.150 --> 00:13:49.380 Isn't there people can. 00:13:49.560 --> 00:13:54.420 I was looking at, um, you know, like an app, which was to showcase NFTs 00:13:54.420 --> 00:13:59.189 and someone literally NFTs are what's called minted, which is to make an 00:13:59.250 --> 00:14:01.710 image or whatever they minted this. 00:14:01.710 --> 00:14:04.650 I, um, which was a photo off their mum. 00:14:06.110 --> 00:14:10.410 I didn't really feel like I wanted to buy that, but it's so wild. 00:14:10.410 --> 00:14:14.220 Isn't that am, I think let's go back a bit to the, you were talking about 00:14:14.220 --> 00:14:17.310 with, with open sea and I think it's really good, but you're right. 00:14:17.579 --> 00:14:18.360 It's amazing. 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:19.140 It's open. 00:14:19.140 --> 00:14:22.230 And I, you know, I'm looking at playing with open sea and I think it's 00:14:22.230 --> 00:14:24.000 the perfect thing to do that, but. 00:14:25.305 --> 00:14:29.805 We have to be really upfront while there's lots of NFTs and the, some of the ones in 00:14:29.805 --> 00:14:32.205 the press, which make shitloads of money. 00:14:32.505 --> 00:14:34.005 Um, it's all sounds appealing. 00:14:34.245 --> 00:14:39.135 There's I imagine there's also lots of NFTs, which kind of just go into 00:14:39.135 --> 00:14:43.905 the graveyard of like full of, you know, there's like an open, so you 00:14:43.905 --> 00:14:45.315 can pretty much put anything on there. 00:14:45.315 --> 00:14:45.675 Right? 00:14:45.675 --> 00:14:49.305 So there's a lot of NFTs which fill the space. 00:14:49.425 --> 00:14:53.115 I don't know if you feel that as well then Donez 00:14:53.775 --> 00:14:59.505 Adonis Zachariades: we certainly, uh, I, I sometimes feel lost in the vice the ratio 00:14:59.505 --> 00:15:05.985 of NFTs that are actually an open seat is like, uh, , it's a fun game at night. 00:15:06.015 --> 00:15:08.445 If you want to fall asleep, just scroll through all the 00:15:08.445 --> 00:15:11.205 NFTs on open, see have fun. 00:15:11.265 --> 00:15:13.665 Uh, you're going to be scrolling for hours. 00:15:14.085 --> 00:15:15.795 Um, yeah. 00:15:16.845 --> 00:15:21.795 It's to be honest, if you think about it, everything could be an NFC, like 00:15:21.795 --> 00:15:25.125 you said, Picture of, of their mom. 00:15:25.515 --> 00:15:30.165 It could definitely be an NFC is like you can make any digital creation, 00:15:30.435 --> 00:15:34.755 no matter how smart, stupid, silly, interesting, or not interesting. 00:15:35.085 --> 00:15:36.495 It could be an NFC. 00:15:36.975 --> 00:15:42.285 Now, if that NFC has value, well, it only has as much value as the other 00:15:42.285 --> 00:15:44.175 person who is willing to purchase it. 00:15:44.565 --> 00:15:45.075 Correct. 00:15:45.465 --> 00:15:52.815 Um, so at some point in the future, I think that everything that is 00:15:52.815 --> 00:15:57.315 digital will simply be an NFC, but it won't even be thinking about it. 00:15:57.975 --> 00:16:00.255 Every picture that you're going to be creating. 00:16:00.405 --> 00:16:04.695 Every digital item that you have will be an NFC and you will have 00:16:04.695 --> 00:16:09.165 their ownership of it, but you won't make a big fuss about it. 00:16:09.255 --> 00:16:13.125 It's just like your JPEG is on your computer screen and you don't blink 00:16:13.155 --> 00:16:15.525 twice is going to be the same. 00:16:16.035 --> 00:16:17.625 It's got to be a J pick NFT. 00:16:19.010 --> 00:16:21.320 Stephen Drew: Yeah, I think, look, you've look at darn it. 00:16:21.410 --> 00:16:25.730 I'm going to, you need to have your team and you you've really helped me out by 00:16:25.730 --> 00:16:27.800 kind of breaking the ice this topic. 00:16:28.040 --> 00:16:33.710 Cause it's a big, it's a big thing to decrypt what the fuck and NFTE is. 00:16:33.770 --> 00:16:37.760 And so I kind of, I kind of make a bit off more than I could chew 00:16:37.760 --> 00:16:41.150 when I brought the topic, but a we don't, we don't script things. 00:16:41.150 --> 00:16:41.570 Yeah. 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:42.860 There is no angle. 00:16:42.860 --> 00:16:46.280 And as well, I'm going to open up the conversation further because 00:16:46.430 --> 00:16:51.350 not everyone has to agree on if, how they feel about NFTs as well. 00:16:51.350 --> 00:16:54.650 And there's a few topics that we can bring up as well about, you 00:16:54.650 --> 00:16:57.470 know, how did they deal with the sustainability aspect of things. 00:16:57.470 --> 00:17:00.650 And I know that you're looking at doing things as sustainable as 00:17:00.650 --> 00:17:02.360 possible with your market place. 00:17:02.540 --> 00:17:06.560 And that's really, really cool, but let's open it up a little bit. 00:17:06.589 --> 00:17:10.370 So I Yemi, I'm going to come to you in a second because I'm going to 00:17:10.370 --> 00:17:11.569 love to get your thoughts on this. 00:17:11.630 --> 00:17:14.170 And you're someone who's practicing in the industry. 00:17:15.930 --> 00:17:19.680 And when I think of NFTs and the possibilities, forget 00:17:19.710 --> 00:17:21.450 my awesome mum for a second. 00:17:21.450 --> 00:17:24.359 We're not going to talk about pictures of that, but in an architectural 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:26.879 sense, it could be so cool. 00:17:27.210 --> 00:17:34.500 What becomes valuable NFTs because basically us as the community or 00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:38.460 the why the community, people who are buying these NFTs, they're 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:39.840 seeing what the value is, right? 00:17:40.169 --> 00:17:45.780 And also equally, or the graveyard of NFTs on open sea, which are worthless. 00:17:46.050 --> 00:17:47.460 That's because there's no value there. 00:17:47.460 --> 00:17:51.899 So the question I keep pondering in my head is how do you make 00:17:51.899 --> 00:17:53.669 something over the immense value? 00:17:53.669 --> 00:17:55.800 How can it also connect to the real life? 00:17:56.070 --> 00:17:58.379 And I think that will be the interesting thing for us to do. 00:17:59.055 --> 00:18:02.955 You know, cause as architects, we're always helping with the built environment 00:18:02.955 --> 00:18:06.495 and there's a space for architects to design in the digital world. 00:18:06.765 --> 00:18:09.885 But also there's quite a lot of interesting things about what 00:18:09.885 --> 00:18:11.835 can be done between the both. 00:18:11.835 --> 00:18:15.705 And, you know, at NFTs, we were talking about art and 3d model. 00:18:15.945 --> 00:18:17.505 They can also be quite utility. 00:18:17.805 --> 00:18:21.975 So for instance, with the board eight yacht club, I think that, um, 00:18:21.975 --> 00:18:25.365 if you got one of the cards, for example, I hear that you can get 00:18:25.365 --> 00:18:27.195 invited to when they have a pie. 00:18:27.225 --> 00:18:31.125 If they have a party in New York, only the card members can enter, or for 00:18:31.125 --> 00:18:33.075 example, as a private room online. 00:18:33.285 --> 00:18:36.945 So it was really interesting to see how either, you know, an 00:18:37.005 --> 00:18:41.205 NFT can open some possibilities that were never there before. 00:18:42.150 --> 00:18:43.920 But that's just my thoughts. 00:18:43.980 --> 00:18:47.970 And before we move on to TME, Jason, how are you keeping up, but use 00:18:47.990 --> 00:18:52.800 Fastly scribbling things down, or do we still need to get a little 00:18:52.800 --> 00:18:55.740 bit more in the topic and credited? 00:18:56.340 --> 00:19:00.090 I think instantly what I'm thinking of is how can I make money out of this? 00:19:00.250 --> 00:19:05.430 Um, um, and, and what I think the question for the room, and I'd love 00:19:05.430 --> 00:19:11.040 to hear your thoughts on this is for example, could I buy the Royal 00:19:11.040 --> 00:19:15.780 Institute of British architects, um, artwork and claim their digital title? 00:19:16.980 --> 00:19:19.260 Can I just do that now and make some money out of it? 00:19:19.500 --> 00:19:21.750 I don't think he, I don't think he can. 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:25.770 I think like it's a massive gray area and I would encourage you if you're going 00:19:25.770 --> 00:19:33.300 to end the FTE something to do it on your own, um, on your own staff or yeah. 00:19:33.330 --> 00:19:36.570 Or have a legal, licensed agreement where it's in. 00:19:36.570 --> 00:19:36.870 Right. 00:19:37.320 --> 00:19:38.850 But you have the right to use it. 00:19:39.060 --> 00:19:42.690 And I tell you what, Jason, I wouldn't wish to be you getting 00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:44.420 that license from Ribera. 00:19:44.490 --> 00:19:48.420 That's going to be an interesting conversation with their lawyers. 00:19:48.840 --> 00:19:52.590 Um, but it's interesting, you know, what can be done, but it 00:19:52.590 --> 00:19:53.850 was not even just about money. 00:19:53.850 --> 00:19:56.430 It's about what, you know, what projects can be made, I think 00:19:56.430 --> 00:19:58.050 is also interesting as well. 00:19:58.350 --> 00:20:03.390 So good point, Jason, and I think we'll do another few minutes before we kind 00:20:03.390 --> 00:20:07.280 of go to a little bit of a segue and you can kind of refresh the room and talk. 00:20:07.995 --> 00:20:12.105 The G a mobile access Alliance, which is the constant room 00:20:12.105 --> 00:20:13.635 that you guys should all be in. 00:20:13.905 --> 00:20:17.834 But before we do that before you explained about your awesome club and 00:20:17.834 --> 00:20:21.554 club house, Yemi my fabulous friend. 00:20:21.915 --> 00:20:22.395 Hello? 00:20:23.334 --> 00:20:28.455 Hey, I've got like, I've got some intro music for you somewhere. 00:20:33.675 --> 00:20:35.004 Loving it, loving it, loving. 00:20:36.034 --> 00:20:40.004 I cut it off because you know why I'm deeply interested to 00:20:40.004 --> 00:20:41.415 hear what you've been saying. 00:20:41.955 --> 00:20:46.865 So if anyone that doesn't know you first, you want to intro yourself into 00:20:46.865 --> 00:20:48.495 the, in the way their industry as well. 00:20:48.615 --> 00:20:49.514 Yeah, sure. 00:20:49.514 --> 00:20:55.125 So I'm an architect by profession currently working as a development 00:20:56.235 --> 00:21:02.925 manager, developing, um, affordable social housing as well as actually 00:21:02.925 --> 00:21:05.145 just housing in general in Northland. 00:21:06.949 --> 00:21:07.370 Great. 00:21:07.939 --> 00:21:08.570 Perfect. 00:21:08.659 --> 00:21:13.220 Well, look, you do a lot of awesome projects as well, so I'm sure at one 00:21:13.220 --> 00:21:19.490 point, right, something brought you down the NFT rabbit hole as I, oh, it's 00:21:19.490 --> 00:21:22.520 more kind of just general, um, interest. 00:21:22.520 --> 00:21:28.699 And like you say, trying to stay abreast of technology and understanding, um, yeah, 00:21:28.730 --> 00:21:33.439 just trying to get an understanding of, um, what NFTs are, what the metaverse are. 00:21:33.530 --> 00:21:38.000 I mean, is, I mean, there's lots, there's lots going on at the moment. 00:21:38.120 --> 00:21:43.490 Um, I think since 2020, generally with a lot of us been stuck at home 00:21:43.879 --> 00:21:48.710 and, um, maybe not spending that money on, um, transport, seeing where, 00:21:48.770 --> 00:21:50.870 where else we can put our money. 00:21:50.870 --> 00:21:53.449 I think there's been lots of interesting crypto and the 00:21:53.449 --> 00:21:55.520 like, since I'm locked down. 00:21:55.520 --> 00:21:58.580 So my, my there's an interest there, but I'm no. 00:21:59.970 --> 00:22:00.600 Expert. 00:22:00.930 --> 00:22:03.090 I think you, you touched on something. 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:06.900 Um, and then, um, Jason touched on something just in terms 00:22:06.900 --> 00:22:08.850 of real life kind of usage. 00:22:08.850 --> 00:22:14.820 I can see, um, you know, architecture has moved from us drawing pen, pencil, um, 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:20.380 largely some of us still, still do and, and, and love sketch into, you know, uh, 00:22:20.380 --> 00:22:25.530 a more technological way or graphical way or digital way of representing our work. 00:22:25.950 --> 00:22:30.990 And the construction industry is at all times trying to keep up with, 00:22:31.020 --> 00:22:35.220 um, digital transformation and technology and just one of the very 00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:37.170 kind of practical ways I can see. 00:22:38.205 --> 00:22:43.725 The metaverse, um, helping architects is that I think, you know, in the 00:22:43.725 --> 00:22:48.524 way we represent our drawings, uh, three, three dimensionally, we've 00:22:48.524 --> 00:22:53.985 found that, um, sometimes for, for lay clients, it's so much easier when 00:22:53.985 --> 00:22:58.335 you're presenting a drawing, not to do so in plan and elevation, but to 00:22:58.335 --> 00:23:01.185 have a 3d, 3d drawing is fantastic. 00:23:01.185 --> 00:23:05.175 Now, if we can stop putting headsets on clients and actually walking them 00:23:05.175 --> 00:23:10.004 around, um, the, you know, their existing propo, the existing, and then 00:23:10.004 --> 00:23:12.585 the new, I mean, amazing, fantastic. 00:23:12.615 --> 00:23:16.064 That's where we get kind of real buy-in and understanding. 00:23:16.514 --> 00:23:19.905 And then I guess NFTs are exciting. 00:23:19.905 --> 00:23:21.284 The metaverse is exciting. 00:23:21.284 --> 00:23:23.024 The metaverse is not necessarily. 00:23:24.014 --> 00:23:26.655 And new concept has been around for, for a long time. 00:23:26.655 --> 00:23:27.794 We talk about gaming. 00:23:27.794 --> 00:23:29.715 We talk about VR, all the rest of it. 00:23:30.074 --> 00:23:34.725 I would be quite interested actually to, to, for the experts in the room. 00:23:34.725 --> 00:23:39.135 And just generally to hear what people think about the pros and the 00:23:39.554 --> 00:23:45.675 cons for me, I think one of the cons touches back on what, um, Jason has 00:23:45.675 --> 00:23:49.094 said is that, you know, physical art can't really be digitalized. 00:23:49.094 --> 00:23:53.564 The reason why people own physical art and the reason why you then would 00:23:53.594 --> 00:23:55.635 own digital are often different. 00:23:55.995 --> 00:24:00.395 You know, um, a lot of the times people will pay to go in, uh, to a 00:24:00.405 --> 00:24:02.084 private viewing or whatever it is. 00:24:02.084 --> 00:24:06.044 We go to museums, whatever, to look at re um, pieces of art. 00:24:06.074 --> 00:24:07.155 Whereas with. 00:24:08.435 --> 00:24:12.304 You know, you can't digitalize, uh, physical art, and there's just an alert 00:24:12.334 --> 00:24:16.774 to seeing things, you know, one of a kind painting or whatever with your own own 00:24:16.774 --> 00:24:20.195 eyes that our token wouldn't, um, provide. 00:24:20.554 --> 00:24:23.735 And also, I think there's a big thing here about value. 00:24:24.185 --> 00:24:29.314 So, you know, when you purchase one of the, um, you know, an NFT, 00:24:29.314 --> 00:24:32.014 you're not necessarily purchasing the copyright to the art. 00:24:32.044 --> 00:24:36.574 So this speaks directly to Jason's, um, point. 00:24:36.845 --> 00:24:40.774 And in that way, you know, you, you can find lots of copies on the internet 00:24:40.774 --> 00:24:45.875 or wherever the token that you own, that you've paid potentially millions, 00:24:45.875 --> 00:24:52.024 thousands, hundreds of pounds, um, for, and I think, you know, if I've understood 00:24:52.024 --> 00:24:56.044 it correctly, when you buy the assets or you own as the record saying that you 00:24:56.135 --> 00:24:58.355 own the token behind the original asset. 00:24:58.625 --> 00:25:00.605 So I would question how much value. 00:25:01.800 --> 00:25:05.730 That actually is in owning an asset that you don't actually control. 00:25:06.270 --> 00:25:11.100 Um, so, so there's a question there and to two others, environmental costs, 00:25:11.399 --> 00:25:16.020 I mean, it's, uh, environmental, um, the environment carbon is a big thing 00:25:16.020 --> 00:25:18.240 in architecture and construction. 00:25:18.659 --> 00:25:24.629 And you know, when I think of, um, the Ethereum blockchain and, you know, talk 00:25:24.629 --> 00:25:29.190 about electricity and all the rest of it, it scares me and I shudder at the 00:25:29.190 --> 00:25:35.610 amount of electricity and environmental cost of crypto in general, including NFC. 00:25:35.610 --> 00:25:39.450 So it'd be great maybe to hear a little bit more from a dentist on how he. 00:25:40.465 --> 00:25:45.324 I know there are some chains that are not more energy efficient than others 00:25:45.324 --> 00:25:48.415 and are seeking to, um, improve. 00:25:48.475 --> 00:25:52.554 And I guess, with any new technology, it's going to take awhile to get 00:25:52.554 --> 00:25:54.564 us to where we need to get to. 00:25:54.925 --> 00:25:58.794 I think the last thing to also touch on, and this will just be in relation 00:25:58.794 --> 00:26:04.885 to the things I'm passionate about is about, um, equality and inclusion, you 00:26:04.885 --> 00:26:12.655 know, are we, um, is this space one that is truly accessible for, um, Joe 00:26:12.655 --> 00:26:15.264 Bloggs down the road to buy an NFT? 00:26:15.274 --> 00:26:19.824 As we said, some of these NFTs go for ridiculous money, some I guess not, not 00:26:20.034 --> 00:26:25.014 as much, but do, do you have to, would you say you have to be quite tech savvy to. 00:26:26.100 --> 00:26:30.660 Engage in, um, the, this field and, um, yeah. 00:26:30.750 --> 00:26:37.020 You know, could, could my dad jump on and buy an MFT and how do we deal with, uh, 00:26:37.050 --> 00:26:42.570 accessibility and, uh, fair, fair access to all which is massive in architecture 00:26:42.690 --> 00:26:44.100 and in the construction industry. 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.450 So a few questions they're more than answers, I guess. 00:26:48.780 --> 00:26:49.230 Yeah. 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:50.130 I love that. 00:26:50.130 --> 00:26:53.220 And the, their questions, I think we're all share and it's kind 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:54.720 of that ongoing thing, isn't it? 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:58.050 And so I'll say it with my broken knowledge a little bit, 00:26:58.050 --> 00:27:01.980 what I I've, I've looked into as well, and then maybe I've done. 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:05.280 This can actually help me with proper answers as someone who's 00:27:05.280 --> 00:27:06.630 a specialist in this field. 00:27:07.020 --> 00:27:11.550 But if you look at even, um, so I use open sea as a big example, and they 00:27:11.550 --> 00:27:17.600 mainly the big, and this is goes to your point in terms of trading the NFTs 00:27:17.610 --> 00:27:21.770 in which blockchain, or they were on the predominant or the most well-known. 00:27:22.605 --> 00:27:24.315 Is it right. 00:27:24.375 --> 00:27:28.605 And so that's ITI, Hage, I think is the kind of assemble for it. 00:27:28.905 --> 00:27:29.505 And you're right. 00:27:29.505 --> 00:27:35.775 Yami, because it's constantly brought up about sustainability and, um, you 00:27:35.775 --> 00:27:38.055 know, the environmental costs of that. 00:27:38.055 --> 00:27:45.795 And I was looking recently open seat, um, have started adopting more this other, 00:27:46.275 --> 00:27:52.305 um, this other coin or whatever you call it at which polygon, there you go. 00:27:52.545 --> 00:27:56.445 He knows what I'm going with that, and that was, that's really interesting. 00:27:56.475 --> 00:28:00.525 It kind of actually suffered the other day because one or two, I think like one of 00:28:00.525 --> 00:28:04.995 these big games was using it a lot, but polygon and I've started to look into it. 00:28:04.995 --> 00:28:07.845 It's much more sustainable. 00:28:07.845 --> 00:28:13.485 It uses a lot less energy to just in its general process in, and 00:28:13.485 --> 00:28:15.855 there's what is called layer two. 00:28:15.885 --> 00:28:19.395 And I believe if the theory is layer one and I mean, that's 00:28:19.395 --> 00:28:20.865 a whole topic in itself. 00:28:21.689 --> 00:28:28.110 But for example, the fact that open C is adopted other cryptocurrencies, uh, you 00:28:28.110 --> 00:28:31.649 know, to use, which are more sustainable. 00:28:31.649 --> 00:28:34.560 It seems like a step in the right direction. 00:28:35.040 --> 00:28:37.500 That's of course it seems like it's a lot more to go. 00:28:37.800 --> 00:28:40.560 So you jumped in there and helped me kindly would probably take on that. 00:28:40.949 --> 00:28:46.230 What is your thoughts on that point that Yemi raises about environmental before 00:28:46.230 --> 00:28:48.030 we talk about stuff like application? 00:28:49.050 --> 00:28:49.710 Adonis Zachariades: Yeah, of course. 00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:58.500 I mean it's unfortunately, or fortunately is a really big part of water doing. 00:28:58.889 --> 00:29:03.840 Um, if uranium is the most popular chain, but they do understand the 00:29:03.840 --> 00:29:05.760 environmental impact that they're having. 00:29:06.060 --> 00:29:10.800 And for that reason, they are trying to shift into Ethereum to play know if you 00:29:10.800 --> 00:29:15.580 heard about it, we just simply changing the way their consensus mechanism. 00:29:16.350 --> 00:29:19.470 So, if you heard about proof of work, that's when they need 00:29:19.470 --> 00:29:23.460 energy and computational power in order to validate transactions. 00:29:23.790 --> 00:29:29.820 And when you hear layer two solutions or about Ethereum 2.0, is that the ones 00:29:29.820 --> 00:29:35.490 who move into proof of stake, P O P O S, where the way that they validate 00:29:35.490 --> 00:29:38.149 transactions is by staking your coins. 00:29:38.149 --> 00:29:44.159 So proving ownership of, uh, of the chain instead of using computational power. 00:29:44.580 --> 00:29:51.360 So it is an, and you should to everyone and everybody is trying to, 00:29:51.659 --> 00:29:58.379 to move away from, uh, chains that are actually not environmentally friendly. 00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:00.510 And that's why you see polygon. 00:30:00.510 --> 00:30:02.760 And that's why you see immutable eggs. 00:30:03.060 --> 00:30:05.850 And so many others that are coming to play. 00:30:06.120 --> 00:30:10.230 I mean, there, there there's so many, um, but. 00:30:12.270 --> 00:30:15.450 Just like, for example, us dollar is king. 00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:17.970 When it comes to currencies is the same. 00:30:17.970 --> 00:30:22.950 When you have a Bitcoin and Ethereum, it's really difficult to shift somebody, 00:30:23.190 --> 00:30:28.590 especially when they capture such a big percentage of the market and move them 00:30:28.800 --> 00:30:33.780 away into, into a chain that is more environmentally friendly, at least for 00:30:33.780 --> 00:30:38.580 now, I will say, um, as we move along and, and let's not forget that this is 00:30:38.580 --> 00:30:41.220 really new, everything is really new. 00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:45.330 Everything is like in a sense happened yesterday. 00:30:45.330 --> 00:30:51.300 So, uh, we're really working in dog years here and we're moving really fast, 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:57.330 um, to move into more environmentally friendly, eh, chains, all of us 00:30:57.390 --> 00:31:01.500 all within the crypto space, I will say because everybody wants that. 00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:09.270 Um, but even if we are new to this space, we have the legacy systems, you 00:31:09.270 --> 00:31:12.075 know, Battery slowly needs to change. 00:31:12.945 --> 00:31:14.625 And that's why you have a theory as well. 00:31:14.835 --> 00:31:19.485 And he's there, but it's one of the biggest and strongest chains, uh, 00:31:19.815 --> 00:31:24.135 because it was one of the first and they were pioneers within this space, 00:31:24.615 --> 00:31:30.105 eh, and it's really hard to change or evolve and move forward with. 00:31:30.795 --> 00:31:31.305 Actually 00:31:32.145 --> 00:31:34.845 Stephen Drew: whilst well said, because you've been such a good sport. 00:31:34.875 --> 00:31:38.595 I'm going to try and put your website on the link at the top. 00:31:38.595 --> 00:31:42.135 So I dunno if that works or not, but check out it really works. 00:31:42.615 --> 00:31:43.335 Yay. 00:31:43.395 --> 00:31:43.995 Check out. 00:31:44.085 --> 00:31:46.995 I think it's really good exercise anyways, because not even in the 00:31:46.995 --> 00:31:50.955 interest of promotion, it'd be really interesting for everyone to visualize 00:31:50.955 --> 00:31:52.605 exactly what I've done is open about. 00:31:52.605 --> 00:31:55.545 And what he's building is it is architecture specific. 00:31:55.935 --> 00:31:56.525 I'm lucky. 00:31:56.535 --> 00:31:59.685 Cause we're going to be recording a podcast around that. 00:31:59.685 --> 00:32:03.705 We are going to do it, but this is kind of, this is the roar and scripted talk 00:32:03.705 --> 00:32:06.195 before the row and scripted podcasts. 00:32:06.765 --> 00:32:07.605 And then this is me 00:32:07.605 --> 00:32:10.515 Adonis Zachariades: jumping into court, just getting their age. 00:32:10.755 --> 00:32:11.405 And I like it. 00:32:11.415 --> 00:32:16.395 If T's attire I rest and everything in between, and I appreciate architecture. 00:32:16.395 --> 00:32:16.995 This is normal. 00:32:17.925 --> 00:32:20.294 Well, I'm plugging rent specifically. 00:32:20.294 --> 00:32:22.215 It's just me and the love of NFCS, but 00:32:22.304 --> 00:32:24.554 Stephen Drew: well, lucky you build, you're building a market place 00:32:24.554 --> 00:32:26.534 in the space, so it's irrelevant. 00:32:26.564 --> 00:32:30.495 Well, people can have their own opinion on what the market price, but the fact is 00:32:30.495 --> 00:32:32.655 this would be the first architectural one. 00:32:32.835 --> 00:32:35.865 And it's interesting learning all this stuff that you're taking into 00:32:35.865 --> 00:32:40.064 consideration in the marketplace because yes, it's, you know, as you've listened to 00:32:40.064 --> 00:32:42.465 here and like Amie and Yami is actually. 00:32:43.100 --> 00:32:45.290 You know, while considering questions, those are going to 00:32:45.290 --> 00:32:46.490 be questions that the architect. 00:32:46.490 --> 00:32:51.800 So it's always a two-way chat, a look that you need to have your team for that. 00:32:52.970 --> 00:32:55.340 And so I'm here on this stage. 00:32:55.370 --> 00:32:58.040 I would have been absolutely screwed if you didn't join the stage. 00:32:58.040 --> 00:33:00.020 So I'm pleased you are, but stay here. 00:33:00.020 --> 00:33:03.500 I would T just relaxed for a little bit, cause we're going to need you. 00:33:03.710 --> 00:33:06.830 I suspect we're gonna need you, uh, while I'm good at talking, 00:33:06.830 --> 00:33:09.110 I'm making random sound facts. 00:33:10.760 --> 00:33:11.750 That's my job. 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.320 But Jason is the person that really helps me run all these rows. 00:33:15.320 --> 00:33:20.180 And he's a bit of a seasoned pro when it comes to cloud powers. 00:33:20.360 --> 00:33:23.450 So we're going to have a nice interlude for second. 00:33:23.660 --> 00:33:27.440 And anyone here, just to let you know, if you do come to the stage, 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.050 she will be on Spotify with chase son. 00:33:30.230 --> 00:33:33.200 Do you want to just kind of let everyone know a little bit of club? 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:33.860 I would say, okay. 00:33:34.910 --> 00:33:37.430 Tell us all about the GAA for people that are new. 00:33:38.180 --> 00:33:40.700 Yeah, no, absolutely. 00:33:40.730 --> 00:33:41.630 Thank you, Stephen. 00:33:41.660 --> 00:33:45.020 Um, I think just, just for everyone in the room, that's maybe not being 00:33:45.020 --> 00:33:49.100 here on new to this room, so please follow the Architecture, Social, which 00:33:49.100 --> 00:33:53.780 is like a little green, um, sort of, um, how symbol at the, at the top, 00:33:54.110 --> 00:33:58.490 top, top there, um, you've still got the number Stephen well done. 00:33:58.850 --> 00:34:02.740 Um, but I just want to sort of bench and I'd been following everyone in the room. 00:34:03.930 --> 00:34:07.920 Um, so if you could follow people back and follow people on stage, that'd be 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.300 appreciated and maybe just, um, take a little bit of time to fill out your bio 00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:17.280 is it's always interesting to see who's in the room, cause I've been, um, sort of 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:23.009 looking at everyone's bios in here, but three and I'm doing a room tomorrow night. 00:34:23.009 --> 00:34:24.989 So I do ream every Thursday. 00:34:25.020 --> 00:34:27.150 We've done 40 rooms in a row. 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:32.610 And so we did 40 rooms in a row last year, um, every week on Thursdays at seven. 00:34:32.969 --> 00:34:34.889 And we're talking about titles. 00:34:34.949 --> 00:34:37.739 So we're talking about, um, professional titles. 00:34:38.190 --> 00:34:42.120 Um, what's the purpose of them and are they still relevant 00:34:42.210 --> 00:34:43.920 and should the be protected? 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.060 And I think it'd be lovely if, uh, people in the room tonight, some 00:34:48.060 --> 00:34:49.679 of you could make it tomorrow. 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:50.130 It'd be one. 00:34:50.130 --> 00:34:51.330 It'd be absolutely wonderful. 00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:53.759 Um, so it's a global architects Alliance. 00:34:53.759 --> 00:34:57.780 If you just click on my bio, you will see, um, the clubs that I 00:34:57.810 --> 00:35:00.390 run and, um, it's growing as well. 00:35:01.214 --> 00:35:04.754 So it's, it's, it's, um, it's a growing club and more and 00:35:04.754 --> 00:35:05.895 more people come into it. 00:35:05.895 --> 00:35:06.825 So yeah. 00:35:06.855 --> 00:35:11.535 Thank you, Steve, for letting me advertise that room briefly. 00:35:11.984 --> 00:35:12.855 Well, my pleasure. 00:35:12.855 --> 00:35:15.464 I mean, it's great because I do these specials. 00:35:15.495 --> 00:35:19.154 Whenever something really gets my interest and I used to do a fair, well, 00:35:19.154 --> 00:35:22.785 we will get some, especially when it comes to talking about careers, but if 00:35:22.785 --> 00:35:27.674 you want a better continuity any once, somewhere just to unwind and do check 00:35:27.674 --> 00:35:31.605 out Jason's awesome GAA, but right. 00:35:31.694 --> 00:35:37.185 So what I'm thinking, not this point, Jason is we can, we can, 00:35:37.214 --> 00:35:38.325 I don't know what you call it. 00:35:38.325 --> 00:35:39.825 Is it refreshing the room? 00:35:40.035 --> 00:35:43.185 So we go one or two people on the stage now there's, it's 00:35:43.185 --> 00:35:44.805 not like a panel of experts. 00:35:44.865 --> 00:35:47.984 I am far from an expert far, far, far from it. 00:35:47.984 --> 00:35:51.524 I am just someone who discovered this world in December and this 00:35:51.524 --> 00:35:52.995 got really, really excited. 00:35:53.234 --> 00:35:54.314 And one thing I would say. 00:35:55.455 --> 00:35:58.785 Getting involved in these small communities is really awesome because 00:35:59.024 --> 00:36:03.674 in the architecture scene, there's one or two, I think discords and telegrams. 00:36:03.855 --> 00:36:08.145 So you can check out as a telegram, for example, and that sort of a really 00:36:08.145 --> 00:36:12.435 good way to find out more and more about NFTs because I'm constantly learning. 00:36:12.705 --> 00:36:15.705 And I constantly find information on what people are sharing. 00:36:15.915 --> 00:36:20.325 There is also, I believe another really cool group, which is on 00:36:20.325 --> 00:36:23.595 discord, which I think is called like architect or architecture, 00:36:23.625 --> 00:36:26.835 Dao, and that's worth checking out. 00:36:26.835 --> 00:36:30.794 And as well as that, there's another really cool one as 00:36:30.794 --> 00:36:33.254 another really cool is core. 00:36:33.254 --> 00:36:37.035 It's called architecture architects in the metaverse. 00:36:37.245 --> 00:36:38.325 So search for that. 00:36:38.325 --> 00:36:41.564 There's a few people on there, but they're all sharing really 00:36:41.564 --> 00:36:43.395 good tidbits of information. 00:36:43.605 --> 00:36:46.935 So if anyone here is in the audience is thinking about just learning. 00:36:47.850 --> 00:36:49.490 Definitely go check it out. 00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:52.620 Cause I think it's a really good, fun, exciting community. 00:36:52.799 --> 00:36:57.210 And it's better for architects to be involved in it rather than not being 00:36:57.210 --> 00:37:03.480 involved because in my opinion, you know, we'll do another talk at some point for 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:07.859 Mehta versus, and yes, there's been a method versus around for a long time. 00:37:08.279 --> 00:37:12.419 I think though, the reality is that this world is NFT world in 00:37:12.419 --> 00:37:14.669 this Bush is only just beginning. 00:37:15.390 --> 00:37:20.009 And I think it's a little bit naive to think it will, it will not continue 00:37:20.009 --> 00:37:21.990 to grow in some shape or form. 00:37:22.230 --> 00:37:24.270 Maybe there's a debt, maybe there's a bubble. 00:37:24.540 --> 00:37:26.549 And what I mean by bubble is maybe things will pop. 00:37:26.580 --> 00:37:29.669 Maybe the value on the coins will go lower and so forth. 00:37:30.240 --> 00:37:32.520 But I think it's going to pick back up again. 00:37:32.790 --> 00:37:34.830 So it's better to get familiar with that. 00:37:35.835 --> 00:37:39.255 That's how you want, if you do your research into NFTs and you said to me, 00:37:39.255 --> 00:37:43.515 Steve, I've researched that I'm really interested in good for you, but I think 00:37:43.515 --> 00:37:45.404 it's such a cool space to read up on it. 00:37:45.404 --> 00:37:50.025 And I encourage everyone to do it on that note though, let's open up the room. 00:37:50.175 --> 00:37:55.965 Is there anyone here that it may be is not that experienced with NFTs is not 00:37:55.965 --> 00:37:59.985 that experienced with a mat averse or maybe they've got their own projects. 00:38:00.225 --> 00:38:03.495 If anyone would like to raise their hand now is probably 00:38:03.765 --> 00:38:05.745 a really good time to do it. 00:38:06.075 --> 00:38:10.605 I'm happy to keep talking, but this is just about your room as well. 00:38:10.665 --> 00:38:12.975 And I'd love anyone's thoughts. 00:38:13.785 --> 00:38:14.265 Yeah, I've done. 00:38:14.295 --> 00:38:17.625 Well, maybe if you know, I can ask the dumb questions in the ring. 00:38:18.165 --> 00:38:19.665 I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. 00:38:20.685 --> 00:38:25.095 It's just, how would I get started on, on this and maybe it's, um, you 00:38:25.095 --> 00:38:26.805 know, maybe not directly to you, Steve. 00:38:27.705 --> 00:38:27.945 Yeah. 00:38:27.975 --> 00:38:29.595 You know, I understand. 00:38:29.655 --> 00:38:34.155 I redo, I Google what NFT means, how, how would I just get started? 00:38:34.455 --> 00:38:35.565 That'd be my question. 00:38:37.005 --> 00:38:42.345 I can, I can handle this because I'm a full on newbie, you know? 00:38:42.345 --> 00:38:44.625 So we got a proper architect. 00:38:44.625 --> 00:38:44.895 Yeah. 00:38:44.925 --> 00:38:45.185 Yeah. 00:38:45.205 --> 00:38:47.775 Mean, oh, well, you're a proper architect as well. 00:38:47.775 --> 00:38:51.225 Jason, who are thinking, this is interesting though, and this 00:38:51.225 --> 00:38:54.345 is actually building the bloody marketplace where things are going on. 00:38:54.555 --> 00:38:57.795 So he's on the technical end and I'm the new guy that's looking in. 00:38:58.590 --> 00:39:03.090 But I would think checkout open C or IO first and have a 00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:04.230 little look around from there. 00:39:04.470 --> 00:39:08.220 And actually it sounds really naive, but I am, I listened. 00:39:08.220 --> 00:39:12.030 There's a book and an, or an audio book, which is really good. 00:39:12.330 --> 00:39:14.490 Let me go and check my Amazon records. 00:39:14.490 --> 00:39:18.060 Now, the name of that, but I listened to this audio book back at the start at 00:39:18.060 --> 00:39:22.770 December, and Harvey was talking about the concept, talking about the theory, but 00:39:22.770 --> 00:39:27.630 to answer your question, there was a lot of information about how you get started. 00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:32.250 And so that book is called the NFT handbook, how they create 00:39:32.250 --> 00:39:35.610 Sal by non fungible tokens. 00:39:35.640 --> 00:39:37.800 And I listened to that and it was really good. 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.570 And they will talk to you about all the marketplace says, which, uh, um, more, 00:39:42.570 --> 00:39:44.460 all the part, well, that's actually wrong. 00:39:44.700 --> 00:39:48.030 They'll talk about the popular ones that you need to know, and 00:39:48.030 --> 00:39:49.890 now they don't talk about them. 00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:51.030 This is marketplace coming up. 00:39:51.930 --> 00:39:55.470 Is on the verge of rolling it out in the next few months, but it talks about 00:39:55.650 --> 00:39:59.970 the common ways to do, and it will talk about what actually meant and means 00:40:00.180 --> 00:40:06.390 how to get a crypto wall, a wall at a virtual digital wallet to put the 00:40:06.390 --> 00:40:08.610 money on which you're going to need. 00:40:08.640 --> 00:40:10.410 And it will go for the process. 00:40:10.620 --> 00:40:15.000 And as well as that, it we'll talk about a little bit about, you know, the 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.870 fact that just because you make an NFT doesn't mean anyone's going to buy it. 00:40:19.110 --> 00:40:20.700 A lot of it is to do a community. 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:25.830 A lot of it has to do is with trust and really it's about someone. 00:40:26.984 --> 00:40:28.935 Pay virtual currency for it. 00:40:28.935 --> 00:40:30.495 So there's gotta be a pole. 00:40:30.495 --> 00:40:32.685 There's gotta be some desirability there. 00:40:32.955 --> 00:40:36.254 So everyone check, check out the NFT handbook. 00:40:36.435 --> 00:40:40.544 Um, I don't know the author, not like, um, I get any kickback from 00:40:40.544 --> 00:40:42.915 it, but I found that really valuable. 00:40:43.245 --> 00:40:46.335 So Jason part way answer the question. 00:40:46.335 --> 00:40:49.634 Cause I kind of copped out and it give, it suggested an audio book, 00:40:49.634 --> 00:40:51.015 but it's a really valuable one. 00:40:51.435 --> 00:40:54.884 Um, I'm conscious cause we got Alex, who's joined them the stage. 00:40:55.125 --> 00:40:57.105 Really good to see you here, Alex. 00:40:57.105 --> 00:41:00.254 And you've been in the Architecture Social community for a long 00:41:00.254 --> 00:41:02.294 time and I value your opinion. 00:41:02.654 --> 00:41:06.225 But do you, would you like to unmute yourself and say hello to the room 00:41:06.225 --> 00:41:10.154 and share what you felt, um, that you'd like to chat about on the stage? 00:41:12.975 --> 00:41:13.455 Stephen? 00:41:13.785 --> 00:41:16.154 Hi, caisson prior and high-end me. 00:41:16.245 --> 00:41:18.375 Uh, so I. 00:41:19.125 --> 00:41:20.745 Kind of interested in entities. 00:41:20.924 --> 00:41:29.085 Um, what I was thinking about was can BIM data be integrated into an LSD and, 00:41:29.924 --> 00:41:35.325 uh, for example, the furniture being a separate MFT by a different person 00:41:35.564 --> 00:41:44.055 being purchased from it, having the blueprint embedded in the NFT, and we 00:41:44.055 --> 00:41:52.365 created as a, kind of a, basically you're selling on a license to create the item 00:41:52.455 --> 00:41:56.805 physically, um, that kind of rural. 00:41:57.750 --> 00:42:02.910 Kind of retreat, the fresh boat between reality and the digital specs. 00:42:03.720 --> 00:42:10.140 Um, so that's something that, um, um, I'm not very sure it's not possible, uh, 00:42:10.250 --> 00:42:15.480 to call and talk about, but, um, also I want to go back to one of the kinds 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.799 of things that you've touched, talked about was, um, uh, is it accessible 00:42:19.799 --> 00:42:26.069 to everyone and how to kind of do it, um, put, uh, how to get involved. 00:42:26.730 --> 00:42:30.629 So personally I'm, I've got Ethereum. 00:42:30.779 --> 00:42:38.580 Um, so you'll probably need like some of marketplace and stuff like that, but, uh, 00:42:38.589 --> 00:42:43.170 you need to be very careful on whether the fact that it's supported in the UK, 00:42:43.770 --> 00:42:46.319 uh, to protect your, uh, money and asset. 00:42:46.350 --> 00:42:48.210 So for example, buying non. 00:42:50.009 --> 00:42:57.390 No UK and I financially kind of shakes and then, and stuff like that. 00:42:57.570 --> 00:43:01.320 I'm not sure that a donor has anything to add on that part. 00:43:02.279 --> 00:43:05.850 Ooh, well, don't they say, if you're here and you not having your 00:43:05.850 --> 00:43:08.400 cup of tea, feel free to jump in. 00:43:09.270 --> 00:43:11.430 Adonis Zachariades: Well, I'll jump in on the first question. 00:43:11.430 --> 00:43:13.860 Cause I really like it by the way, with the furniture. 00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:16.320 Uh, and then FC can be anything. 00:43:16.350 --> 00:43:16.890 All right. 00:43:17.279 --> 00:43:19.020 So when it comes to. 00:43:19.845 --> 00:43:24.015 Uh, if you want to eat, for example, you create a really, I'll 00:43:24.015 --> 00:43:25.305 take you back to architecture. 00:43:25.605 --> 00:43:28.725 If you create a really interesting cost out of the building and you 00:43:28.725 --> 00:43:33.495 want to sell those 3d drawings, the blueprints onwards, you could add 00:43:33.495 --> 00:43:36.075 them within the NFT as metadata. 00:43:36.375 --> 00:43:41.055 So somebody that purchases that a NFC will have access to that meta 00:43:41.055 --> 00:43:45.195 data, which are the blueprints, and then they can recreate the facade. 00:43:45.705 --> 00:43:50.475 Or for example, if it says something that you can 3d print, they could get access to 00:43:50.475 --> 00:43:53.025 those blueprints and they could 3d print. 00:43:53.115 --> 00:43:58.635 I don't know, whatever you can imagine a chair or guitar, you name it. 00:43:59.055 --> 00:44:02.265 So it's absolutely possible, right? 00:44:02.595 --> 00:44:08.295 You just need to find the correct medium to do that, but it's not a problem at all 00:44:09.165 --> 00:44:17.444 when it comes to the second question, uh, I think the best way to, to get started. 00:44:17.924 --> 00:44:24.345 And if you have a theorem you're 90% there, it means you, uh, you know how to 00:44:24.345 --> 00:44:26.145 purchase it, you know where to store it. 00:44:26.145 --> 00:44:29.205 So, uh, w w what else? 00:44:29.234 --> 00:44:33.134 You just need to know how to mint or buy an NFC? 00:44:33.285 --> 00:44:38.774 Not really difficult, but I will say if you go on open, see any, you go to 00:44:38.774 --> 00:44:45.825 the FAQ pages, they do an excellent job explaining from zero to hero, 00:44:46.185 --> 00:44:51.555 how to buy even Ethereum for somebody that doesn't know where to buy it. 00:44:52.125 --> 00:44:57.464 What are some of the risk of buying a crypto assets, how to store it? 00:44:57.765 --> 00:45:01.544 Um, maybe they don't do a good job in where to, sorry. 00:45:01.754 --> 00:45:06.165 Off-chain but that's, uh, um, I mean, in a cold storage, that's another topic. 00:45:06.225 --> 00:45:06.944 I apologize. 00:45:07.334 --> 00:45:12.134 Um, and then they do a really good job in explaining how to purchase an. 00:45:13.245 --> 00:45:16.635 We via a Midsummer's wallet on open C. 00:45:17.145 --> 00:45:24.375 Now up to now, it's a bit of a gray area, or there is no, um, 00:45:25.245 --> 00:45:30.705 they wrecked well regulation, or at least even guidance by anybody 00:45:30.705 --> 00:45:33.345 in the FCA when it comes to an FTS. 00:45:34.215 --> 00:45:38.385 Um, but we should be not worried. 00:45:38.415 --> 00:45:44.145 We should be all pens to the idea that some of the NFTs that are 00:45:44.145 --> 00:45:50.085 offered could actually be securities and then they could fall under 00:45:50.085 --> 00:45:52.785 the directive of FCA, for example. 00:45:53.025 --> 00:45:57.495 So you need to be aware of what you're buying and if what you're 00:45:57.495 --> 00:46:04.395 buying is gonna directly bring you, um, I need conomic upsides. 00:46:04.485 --> 00:46:09.750 I will say, uh, Just buying a picture that appreciates that it's not an economic 00:46:09.750 --> 00:46:13.710 upside buying something that gives you a dividends that is a direct economy 00:46:13.740 --> 00:46:16.290 upside, which will fall under the FCA. 00:46:16.530 --> 00:46:23.610 And then you will have no issues by yeah, you will be, it will be interesting to 00:46:23.610 --> 00:46:30.180 see war, uh, rules and regulations say about the, so for now open C doesn't 00:46:30.180 --> 00:46:35.130 have an issue like that when it comes to similar to what Binance does. 00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:38.430 And I think Binance didn't fully have an issue. 00:46:38.430 --> 00:46:42.900 It was some of the products they were offering, they needed to be regulated. 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:48.480 And because there is structure of finances everywhere in the world, and 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:53.460 they tried to be well in quotations, air quotations, decentralized. 00:46:53.490 --> 00:46:54.810 They say that they are everywhere. 00:46:55.020 --> 00:46:56.610 They were trying to serve, convene that. 00:46:56.670 --> 00:46:59.220 So that's why FCA wasn't really happy about that. 00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:03.480 So apologies if I lost you somewhere in the middle of. 00:47:04.185 --> 00:47:09.975 The summary of this, if it TLDR is, uh, yes, you can, uh, maintain FTS 00:47:09.975 --> 00:47:16.575 as blueprints and to FAQ pages from ONC amazing source to get started. 00:47:16.905 --> 00:47:22.245 Three there's nothing legal about it against NFTs yet. 00:47:23.755 --> 00:47:24.565 Stephen Drew: Amazing. 00:47:24.775 --> 00:47:24.955 Wow. 00:47:24.955 --> 00:47:26.515 You're doing my job for you. 00:47:26.545 --> 00:47:27.145 For me. 00:47:27.145 --> 00:47:29.065 I think there's conversation with a fault. 00:47:29.125 --> 00:47:31.405 What if it was just me up here? 00:47:31.405 --> 00:47:34.795 We would, we wouldn't have got all the juicy information, 00:47:34.795 --> 00:47:36.305 but that's really, really. 00:47:37.290 --> 00:47:37.950 Uh, phone. 00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:41.040 So I think you deserve like a biscuit with your, 00:47:42.180 --> 00:47:44.490 Adonis Zachariades: and giggling in the background when I'm muted, by the way, 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.710 every time you say something like that. 00:47:46.710 --> 00:47:47.670 Thank you so much. 00:47:48.060 --> 00:47:48.420 Well, 00:47:48.430 --> 00:47:49.530 Stephen Drew: I'm not joking. 00:47:49.530 --> 00:47:51.930 That's why I'm put, I put your thing at the time. 00:47:51.930 --> 00:47:52.590 This is not you. 00:47:52.740 --> 00:47:54.030 This is not promotion. 00:47:54.180 --> 00:47:58.230 I shouldn't be paying you at this point, but I will be paying you a polygon ear 00:47:58.230 --> 00:48:03.210 out of NFT because if he runs a bit expensive, mate, okay, give me a credit 00:48:03.210 --> 00:48:03.600 Adonis Zachariades: problem. 00:48:03.630 --> 00:48:04.440 I like polygon. 00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:04.830 I like 00:48:04.830 --> 00:48:05.310 Stephen Drew: polygon. 00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:07.380 I like Paul, like often gets underwrite. 00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:07.620 Ed. 00:48:07.620 --> 00:48:08.220 Isn't a hand. 00:48:08.220 --> 00:48:10.710 I think, I think it's going to be really interesting. 00:48:10.710 --> 00:48:15.930 And look, I am dying to kind of get my geek off here, but I'm was 00:48:15.930 --> 00:48:20.670 well aware and I think I've had a conversation with Ann on LinkedIn 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:22.530 from the memory of the picture. 00:48:22.560 --> 00:48:26.760 Cause I'm a bit of a face person for Anna's kindly joined us on the stage. 00:48:27.150 --> 00:48:30.780 And have we spoken on LinkedIn because I'm pretty sure we 00:48:30.780 --> 00:48:32.370 have and welcome to the stage. 00:48:33.105 --> 00:48:33.675 Thank you. 00:48:33.675 --> 00:48:37.905 Yes, we have letting me join here. 00:48:38.385 --> 00:48:41.205 Eh, I just want to briefly introduce myself. 00:48:41.235 --> 00:48:48.135 I'm, I'm an architect from Denmark and I've been a researcher for the last eight 00:48:48.135 --> 00:48:50.535 years within a sustainable construction. 00:48:50.535 --> 00:48:55.785 And I'm like you, I am immersed myself into the NFC world and it's 00:48:55.785 --> 00:48:58.425 really like taking the blue pill. 00:48:58.485 --> 00:48:59.955 I can get out of that now. 00:49:00.405 --> 00:49:02.265 It's yeah, it's amazing. 00:49:02.265 --> 00:49:08.865 And I'm really interested in, in exploring these links to the architecture and 00:49:08.865 --> 00:49:10.785 in general, the construction industry. 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:19.470 And then I did, um, an energy collection, which was, um, some 00:49:20.430 --> 00:49:23.819 artworks of like paintings. 00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:24.270 Yeah. 00:49:24.720 --> 00:49:28.740 And I grew up them last, uh, last, last week I think. 00:49:28.890 --> 00:49:31.080 Um, and it went okay. 00:49:31.080 --> 00:49:34.470 So it was also to just start gaining some experience. 00:49:34.560 --> 00:49:40.740 And that was actually what I wanted to give us an advice for the previous 00:49:40.740 --> 00:49:42.509 question on how to get started. 00:49:42.509 --> 00:49:46.799 I would say, just go in there, go on, on sweater and start 00:49:48.120 --> 00:49:50.580 being a part of the conversation. 00:49:50.580 --> 00:49:55.950 Start to join some of the Twitter rooms and follow of course, the 00:49:55.970 --> 00:49:58.020 accounts that you find interesting. 00:49:58.080 --> 00:50:02.640 And there's a whole community in there, which I think is really inspiring. 00:50:02.640 --> 00:50:08.279 And also can give you an idea of what is going on in the NFTE space in general. 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.589 And then of course, for the architectural point of view, that is, you mentioned 00:50:13.589 --> 00:50:20.509 the, the on, uh, on this court, for instance, I think it's, um, and, 00:50:20.509 --> 00:50:26.669 and your previous interview as well about, um, architecturing and meta 00:50:26.669 --> 00:50:33.180 was, but yeah, I'm a very, you know, theoretical person in general, but 00:50:33.210 --> 00:50:36.810 in this, in this, um, place yeah. 00:50:36.810 --> 00:50:39.779 I would say, just go in there and try to get started. 00:50:39.810 --> 00:50:44.460 And as you said, have a look at ONC look at what are other people doing, what 00:50:44.460 --> 00:50:50.339 is working and just in that way, try to get an understanding of it, because I 00:50:50.339 --> 00:50:54.299 think that, yeah, we're totally moving in this direction and it's really 00:50:54.299 --> 00:50:56.009 fascinating to be a part of this. 00:50:56.009 --> 00:50:58.859 And yeah, for me, I just feel like. 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.169 And the front seat at the moment, because everything is just moving so fast. 00:51:04.169 --> 00:51:06.000 So yeah, just get in there. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.500 That's that's my advice. 00:51:07.859 --> 00:51:08.279 Thank you. 00:51:08.669 --> 00:51:09.870 Amazing advice. 00:51:09.899 --> 00:51:17.399 And I've actually brought up to the link, um, so people can see your open C profile. 00:51:17.609 --> 00:51:22.109 And so considering that I hadn't planned this at the start, I think 00:51:22.109 --> 00:51:23.970 that's a really nice round the circle. 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.669 Cause you got me who was all kind of excited in the space. 00:51:26.910 --> 00:51:29.310 You got Jason, who's learning at the star. 00:51:29.669 --> 00:51:33.779 Uh, donors is building the platform of the future for architecture. 00:51:34.140 --> 00:51:36.330 And so I'm kind of, I'm actually rooting for that. 00:51:36.330 --> 00:51:38.879 Cause I hope it goes through and I'm confident it well 00:51:39.120 --> 00:51:40.410 and, and you've actually. 00:51:41.654 --> 00:51:44.654 Um, your own NFTs as well, which is really useful. 00:51:44.895 --> 00:51:47.475 And I agree and getting stuck in. 00:51:47.774 --> 00:51:50.495 And just, w w how was that process though? 00:51:50.535 --> 00:51:51.254 How did it feel? 00:51:51.254 --> 00:51:53.634 Was it a little bit overwhelming at first then? 00:51:53.634 --> 00:51:56.075 And then now it's a little bit more easier. 00:51:56.075 --> 00:51:59.415 Have you, now that you've kind of dipped your toes into the water? 00:52:00.674 --> 00:52:05.865 Uh, I would say that, uh, during the actual artworks, that was really amazing 00:52:05.865 --> 00:52:11.115 for me because, uh, I've done physical paintings and this digital medium has 00:52:11.115 --> 00:52:16.154 been much more easy, like having two small kids and not having to have painting, 00:52:16.185 --> 00:52:17.984 painting all over and stuff like that. 00:52:17.984 --> 00:52:21.435 So just that process was really exciting. 00:52:21.555 --> 00:52:27.944 Um, and of course it was the, the technical parts of turning them into NFCS. 00:52:27.944 --> 00:52:33.075 I think there are really good step-by-step guides also on YouTube. 00:52:33.075 --> 00:52:35.654 And you mentioned on open sea as well. 00:52:36.015 --> 00:52:39.314 What I find really overwhelming is the whole market. 00:52:40.215 --> 00:52:47.625 Eh, I mean, for my first collection, I really try to, um, make a lot of noise 00:52:47.985 --> 00:52:53.295 in Twitter and it's not like I have very many followers, so I spend really 00:52:53.295 --> 00:52:55.485 a lot of time and doing a giveaway. 00:52:55.485 --> 00:53:01.245 And I actually am not sure how to balance this in the future, because 00:53:01.665 --> 00:53:06.795 this is something at the moment I'm doing besides my ordinary job. 00:53:06.825 --> 00:53:11.595 So I think the whole marketing part is really taking a lot of energy. 00:53:11.775 --> 00:53:18.735 Um, and personally, um, I'm actually considering for my future projects, if I 00:53:18.735 --> 00:53:22.335 should hire someone to help me do this. 00:53:22.425 --> 00:53:24.225 Um, but on the other hand, I think that. 00:53:25.109 --> 00:53:30.089 People, the collectors who invest in investing in these projects are also 00:53:30.089 --> 00:53:32.970 very much investing in the people behind. 00:53:32.970 --> 00:53:37.529 So, so I think I need, I need to be myself, but that's actually, what 00:53:37.529 --> 00:53:43.859 is taking most of my energy is, is that part, um, also because after 00:53:43.859 --> 00:53:49.350 my first rap, I made like three, three sales in the first two days. 00:53:51.270 --> 00:53:51.870 Thank you. 00:53:52.109 --> 00:53:56.819 And there was a false really exciting and really motivating, but, um, 00:53:56.850 --> 00:54:03.120 now it's been like a week and it feels really hard to just yeah. 00:54:03.899 --> 00:54:07.230 Push the, this works out there. 00:54:07.230 --> 00:54:10.440 So I'm thinking about some alternatives, ideas. 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:19.110 Like for instance, I actually held like a, um, A virtual gallery opening, um, where 00:54:19.470 --> 00:54:24.300 I had people at send and we had these avatars walking around in the gallery. 00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:29.670 So we could have conversations because I thought that the ordinary drops 00:54:29.700 --> 00:54:32.430 where you just announce it on Twitter. 00:54:32.430 --> 00:54:37.350 For instance, that's a bit, it could be a bit more personal. 00:54:37.350 --> 00:54:40.650 So I thought it was a fun social way to do it. 00:54:40.650 --> 00:54:43.260 And I think that's definitely something I would do again. 00:54:43.950 --> 00:54:49.920 Um, but I'm thinking about maybe joining together with other artists to do like, 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:57.180 um, online gallery exhibition or something like that to gain a bit more exposure? 00:54:57.300 --> 00:55:02.490 Um, yeah, there was a long answer, but, but I would say that the technical 00:55:02.490 --> 00:55:10.245 and the artistic parts, uh, um, I find those not easy because it takes a lot 00:55:10.245 --> 00:55:14.265 of time, but, um, I'm really comfortable in, in those areas, but the marketing, 00:55:14.295 --> 00:55:16.905 uh, the, the draining part for me. 00:55:18.385 --> 00:55:18.655 Wow. 00:55:18.685 --> 00:55:20.275 That's really, really useful. 00:55:20.275 --> 00:55:21.625 And, and look, thank you. 00:55:21.625 --> 00:55:24.295 First of all, for sharing that is really useful. 00:55:24.595 --> 00:55:29.335 I have, I have one quick question for you and then I'll give you a little break. 00:55:29.425 --> 00:55:32.675 I'm just so excited to hear, uh, you know, your journey. 00:55:33.235 --> 00:55:36.715 So when you were made all your artwork, and so they're on the open sea and the 00:55:36.715 --> 00:55:40.705 link again for anyone, if they want to look into Anne's profile, they can click 00:55:40.705 --> 00:55:45.595 that, but go to the collection section because that's what Anne's work is in. 00:55:45.595 --> 00:55:46.975 There's two collections there. 00:55:47.305 --> 00:55:52.315 So did you put them on, um, if theory am, or did you go with a polygon in the end? 00:55:52.315 --> 00:55:52.935 Because those are the. 00:55:53.805 --> 00:55:58.305 Um, block trains that, um, that, uh, open C supports, right. 00:55:59.655 --> 00:56:05.445 Um, I went with the Ethereum and the reason for that was, um, because 00:56:05.475 --> 00:56:06.975 this was my first collection. 00:56:06.975 --> 00:56:15.285 I wanted to go where, um, most people in my, uh, from my understanding are 00:56:15.285 --> 00:56:20.415 using Ethereum and the downsides, of course, the gas fees and also 00:56:20.415 --> 00:56:23.205 the, the environmental impacts. 00:56:23.625 --> 00:56:30.435 Um, so I think for my next collec collection, I'm thinking about 00:56:30.735 --> 00:56:33.945 it to sauce or Solana as well. 00:56:33.945 --> 00:56:37.725 But I think that personally, I would have to be a bit more 00:56:37.755 --> 00:56:40.545 established to like move outside. 00:56:40.545 --> 00:56:41.205 Is there a rhythm? 00:56:41.415 --> 00:56:47.595 Um, and I don't know if, if it's like, I mean, I'm also just experimenting 00:56:47.595 --> 00:56:51.525 here, but, but my choice was that, that this was the biggest. 00:56:52.230 --> 00:56:52.440 Yeah. 00:56:52.470 --> 00:56:54.870 First of all, market place of open sea. 00:56:54.870 --> 00:56:59.130 And then in theory, because I thought that most people were using that. 00:56:59.130 --> 00:57:07.020 But again, then the pricing of, of my artworks, it's like 0.06 is serum 00:57:07.080 --> 00:57:09.610 and, and sometimes the get gas. 00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:10.920 Is that almost that high? 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:16.410 So, I mean, it's really also quite an investment for people to, uh, to 00:57:16.410 --> 00:57:19.140 double the price piece, but yeah. 00:57:20.130 --> 00:57:23.250 Allah look brilliant, really, really useful, and look good on you for doing it. 00:57:23.250 --> 00:57:24.300 And there's always a tricky one. 00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:24.660 Isn't it? 00:57:24.660 --> 00:57:28.230 And we shouldn't condemn someone for using one blockchain or another. 00:57:28.750 --> 00:57:29.970 It's kind of a learning curve. 00:57:29.970 --> 00:57:34.230 And I, before geo I'd love to just hear from you in one second, but just before we 00:57:34.230 --> 00:57:39.330 chat with it, we've you geo and, uh, I'll tell you briefly this morning I bought, 00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.400 um, my, uh, the two domains on a theory. 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:45.660 Um, and oh my God. 00:57:45.870 --> 00:57:48.960 So the first time I put in money into my wallet yeah. 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.470 And they put in us freaking out like, oh my God, this is the 00:57:52.470 --> 00:57:53.580 first time I'm going to do it. 00:57:53.580 --> 00:57:55.980 And then the price is going up and down. 00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:58.080 And then I know it doesn't matter in the big picture, but I was 00:57:58.080 --> 00:58:01.710 like, you know, trying to get all the currency and work it all out. 00:58:01.710 --> 00:58:05.040 And then, you know, I have to prove my ID and all this stuff. 00:58:05.040 --> 00:58:05.850 And actually. 00:58:06.885 --> 00:58:09.735 Once I got past it, I think next time it will be a lot easier. 00:58:09.975 --> 00:58:13.125 And there was a little bit of an adrenaline because I know I signed this 00:58:13.125 --> 00:58:16.845 prophetic if anyone's here in crypto for a while, but it's the first time I was 00:58:16.845 --> 00:58:19.665 moving like money into our crypto wallet. 00:58:19.665 --> 00:58:24.105 And I felt like I was, you know, my, um, I don't know what, like, um, 00:58:24.315 --> 00:58:27.825 ni or something, Joe, I mean, in my heads, I mean, obviously I was just 00:58:27.825 --> 00:58:33.915 completely like, um, just, uh, probably some prophetic guy is crypto into the 00:58:33.915 --> 00:58:39.225 wallet, but in my head I would felt like really like super hacker, you know, Mr. 00:58:39.225 --> 00:58:39.825 Robot. 00:58:39.855 --> 00:58:43.665 And yeah, so I got the domains and it was like my first foray into it. 00:58:43.665 --> 00:58:44.715 So I really enjoy that. 00:58:44.715 --> 00:58:49.605 And I think, um, you know, the next step we'll be doing, um, a kind 00:58:49.605 --> 00:58:51.645 of a project in the NFTE space. 00:58:51.885 --> 00:58:54.045 So look, I've hugged enough then. 00:58:55.260 --> 00:58:57.090 Thank you for joining us on the stage. 00:58:57.150 --> 00:59:00.210 And I think after this, we'll probably mute the Mike's Jason. 00:59:00.210 --> 00:59:02.250 So I think this is going to be the last one on the stage 00:59:02.250 --> 00:59:04.140 for this session with geo. 00:59:04.140 --> 00:59:07.200 Do you want to, um, just say hello and let us know what you thinking. 00:59:09.750 --> 00:59:10.650 Hi, how are you? 00:59:10.650 --> 00:59:11.280 How's everyone. 00:59:11.670 --> 00:59:14.370 Stephen, thank you for inviting me up the stage. 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:17.790 Um, I did have one quick question cause I know I get, I don't know how much time 00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:20.460 you guys have still on the, on here. 00:59:20.730 --> 00:59:21.810 Um, if I may. 00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:22.680 Yeah. 00:59:23.460 --> 00:59:23.760 Adonis Zachariades: Yeah. 00:59:23.790 --> 00:59:28.470 So, um, I was wondering, uh, 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:33.060 Stephen Drew: about VR and NFTs, uh, how to connect those two. 00:59:33.810 --> 00:59:38.400 And the reason why I ask is because, uh, of what roadblocks, 00:59:38.670 --> 00:59:41.520 uh, has been doing for the last couple of years since I started up. 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:45.240 So I was curious to hear your thoughts. 00:59:46.110 --> 00:59:50.280 Um, you know, especially after, you know, I've been, I was in the audience 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.790 and listening to everything and, and ideas that obviously popped into my mind. 00:59:53.790 --> 00:59:53.970 So. 00:59:54.825 --> 00:59:57.435 The utility of everything that you guys have mentioned 00:59:57.525 --> 00:59:59.355 in the last 30 or 40 minutes. 00:59:59.385 --> 01:00:04.785 So, so it, you know, roadblocks came to mind and, uh, and what they're doing, 01:00:04.815 --> 01:00:07.335 and then I'm thinking about VR and 01:00:08.085 --> 01:00:09.045 Adonis Zachariades: you know, how, how, 01:00:09.075 --> 01:00:13.875 Stephen Drew: how in Dubai and the recent, um, the expo, what they've done. 01:00:14.025 --> 01:00:18.585 And, and if anybody in the room knows anything about that, uh, how 01:00:18.585 --> 01:00:22.245 to tie it together and you know, what are your thoughts about it? 01:00:22.995 --> 01:00:27.195 Well, I look JL, I'll meet you halfway with this, and we will open the stage 01:00:27.195 --> 01:00:31.725 up if anyone else wants to say anything after it is that it's a good question. 01:00:31.785 --> 01:00:33.345 I really don't know all the answers. 01:00:33.345 --> 01:00:35.475 That's why I can't answer it fully. 01:00:35.475 --> 01:00:39.975 And I'm going to do another one of these probably on the mat versus which, which is 01:00:39.975 --> 01:00:44.685 what ties into that, you know, architects in the metaverse, because you're right. 01:00:44.685 --> 01:00:49.335 There's, there's loads of these ma versus, and, you know, actually NFTs can 01:00:49.335 --> 01:00:53.825 feed into the mat versus because like a really good example, not specifically to. 01:00:54.630 --> 01:00:58.290 Uh, NFT, but so there's one called the central lands and there's like 01:00:58.290 --> 01:01:03.480 a grid of all these, um, thoughts of land and you can buy the land as NFTs. 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:09.960 And once you've bought that land, then you can get, you can design whatever on that. 01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:10.170 And. 01:01:11.040 --> 01:01:15.149 Then we're going down this big rabbit hole of talking about you get a virtual 01:01:15.149 --> 01:01:19.140 architect that designed building, do they even need to be registered or licensed? 01:01:19.140 --> 01:01:23.370 And that's kind of a very interesting topic, which I think we'll unpack, 01:01:23.580 --> 01:01:27.240 but just to answer your question geo specifically on VR in the mat 01:01:27.330 --> 01:01:32.940 versus there's one that I saw, um, I forget the name of it, but 01:01:32.940 --> 01:01:35.220 there's actually on steam, right? 01:01:35.250 --> 01:01:38.759 So there's, um, you, so people can download the, the, the, it 01:01:38.759 --> 01:01:40.950 can go into the world and use VR. 01:01:41.220 --> 01:01:44.940 So what you're talking about is already kind of happening in Mehta 01:01:44.940 --> 01:01:49.440 versus, and there's one specifically, and I do not know the name. 01:01:51.839 --> 01:01:52.230 Yes. 01:01:52.529 --> 01:01:53.940 Round of applause to you. 01:01:54.029 --> 01:01:56.609 So that's all that's on the steam, isn't it. 01:01:56.890 --> 01:01:57.240 There you go. 01:01:58.799 --> 01:01:59.069 Yeah. 01:01:59.069 --> 01:02:02.850 And you can, you can go on VR and then that's another matter verse, 01:02:03.089 --> 01:02:06.029 but there are a lot of verses, and I kind of wonder in my head. 01:02:06.945 --> 01:02:09.885 It will it be like the battle Royale of better verses? 01:02:09.885 --> 01:02:17.115 And we see which one kind of wins because you've got mark or rolling out rebranding 01:02:17.115 --> 01:02:21.165 and, you know, clear and, Hey, that's a good point to answer your question, Joe. 01:02:21.555 --> 01:02:25.515 Um, as well, you know, as like a big owns the blooming Oculus things, 01:02:25.515 --> 01:02:27.195 didn't they, he bought out Oculus. 01:02:27.195 --> 01:02:30.225 So I'm sure there's a massive play on that space. 01:02:30.675 --> 01:02:34.125 Um, I don't really know of anything more than that. 01:02:34.155 --> 01:02:39.975 I mean, uh, ad does anyone on the stage want to add to, to, um, to that point that 01:02:39.975 --> 01:02:43.305 she raises about VR as an application? 01:02:46.145 --> 01:02:47.585 Let me go one second. 01:02:47.855 --> 01:02:48.785 While we waiting for. 01:02:51.395 --> 01:02:56.555 Does anybody, anybody have a suggestion now, Joe? 01:02:56.615 --> 01:03:03.125 I think, I think we've got, I think we're going to, well, no, but it shows where 01:03:03.125 --> 01:03:04.745 your head's at and I think you're right. 01:03:04.745 --> 01:03:05.915 There's an application there. 01:03:06.275 --> 01:03:11.134 And, and, uh, I think that what we'll do is we'll definitely do another special 01:03:11.375 --> 01:03:16.444 where we talk about the metaverse says now we've kind of got to the hour. 01:03:16.775 --> 01:03:22.234 Um, and so what I'm going to do is I think what would be awesome is 01:03:22.234 --> 01:03:25.025 if we do a round the stage Roundup. 01:03:25.055 --> 01:03:25.444 Okay. 01:03:26.045 --> 01:03:29.734 And you can just say your final thoughts, something that you want to 01:03:29.734 --> 01:03:34.115 say, you can plug something if you want, as long as we keep it short 01:03:34.115 --> 01:03:36.125 and sweet, and then we'll all shoot. 01:03:36.755 --> 01:03:40.535 So I've only think it's fair because everyone's heard me ramble. 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:45.180 Over the last hour and managed to Cabo a good conversation, 01:03:45.210 --> 01:03:47.520 but that's more to do with the people on the stage, less than me. 01:03:47.970 --> 01:03:53.640 Well, I, I will share something is that, um, I am actively going to be 01:03:53.640 --> 01:03:57.990 doing, uh, in terms of the Architecture, Social, Iowa was build the Architecture. 01:03:57.990 --> 01:03:59.550 Social is at its core. 01:03:59.550 --> 01:04:03.900 It's about, um, helping people with the careers and at the same 01:04:03.900 --> 01:04:06.180 time, I've always evolved space. 01:04:06.180 --> 01:04:07.950 So it's been partly a forum. 01:04:08.160 --> 01:04:11.700 It's been partly sharing people's work and they see a little bit of synergies 01:04:11.700 --> 01:04:13.920 there at the NFT space as well. 01:04:14.100 --> 01:04:15.450 It's partly a directory. 01:04:15.450 --> 01:04:19.590 I want to build the biggest directory and is building at the moment of all these 01:04:19.590 --> 01:04:24.450 real life architectural practices and kind of breaking down those barriers about, you 01:04:24.450 --> 01:04:26.340 know, how people interact with each other. 01:04:26.670 --> 01:04:29.820 But to the point it evolves, I'm constantly changing 01:04:29.820 --> 01:04:30.840 and constantly tweaking. 01:04:31.070 --> 01:04:35.070 And I really believe that part of the architecture socialist future will 01:04:35.100 --> 01:04:40.410 definitely be in the NFT space and potentially the ma this in the short term. 01:04:41.370 --> 01:04:45.480 Well, I can say is that I'm working on an NFT project and know it's 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.590 not a marketplace and I wouldn't have the brains in that front. 01:04:49.860 --> 01:04:51.030 So don't worry at donuts. 01:04:51.060 --> 01:04:53.430 I wouldn't have a bloody clue how to do your marketplace. 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:58.230 I be you, we can work together on something, but I'm thinking more of 01:04:58.230 --> 01:05:03.300 a project that I'm really interested in, how we can interface between real 01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:05.520 architects, they careers and NFTs. 01:05:05.550 --> 01:05:06.930 How can that work? 01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:08.760 How can people get exposure? 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:10.320 How can we make something of value? 01:05:10.560 --> 01:05:11.730 So that's where my head's at. 01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:15.540 I don't know all the answers, but I can guarantee that I will do it. 01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:19.740 And it won't be a bunch of hot air because I'm constantly thinking about it. 01:05:20.070 --> 01:05:21.600 So that's what I wanted to share. 01:05:21.600 --> 01:05:25.350 That's my little round off Jason, you're next on my list. 01:05:25.560 --> 01:05:27.290 How has your scribbles gone? 01:05:27.300 --> 01:05:28.830 Have you learnt anything tonight? 01:05:29.010 --> 01:05:30.690 And is there anything you'd like to add? 01:05:31.050 --> 01:05:35.490 Yeah, it's been fantastic and you know, the people on stage really, really 01:05:35.490 --> 01:05:37.770 thank you for sharing that knowledge. 01:05:38.714 --> 01:05:42.674 Um, I'm going to be listening to this back and, um, I'd definitely want 01:05:42.674 --> 01:05:46.305 to enter the M and FTS after this. 01:05:46.335 --> 01:05:51.645 So it's helped me immensely and I might be contacting you to help me in the future. 01:05:51.915 --> 01:05:54.464 So, yeah, so, so that's been great. 01:05:54.555 --> 01:05:57.225 Um, I just wanted to make an announcement as well. 01:05:57.225 --> 01:06:00.795 So again, I'm promoting the global architects Alliance. 01:06:00.795 --> 01:06:05.745 If you don't mind, Stephen it's now it's now a.com. 01:06:05.775 --> 01:06:09.254 So it's the global active Alliance has a web page. 01:06:09.615 --> 01:06:15.165 Um, it's heavily used on LinkedIn, so you can subscribe to the newsletters. 01:06:15.674 --> 01:06:19.785 Um, so we're actually on, um, I think we're up to 5,000 01:06:19.785 --> 01:06:21.015 subscribers in less than a week. 01:06:21.899 --> 01:06:25.169 Um, w with us with our subscriber list list. 01:06:25.560 --> 01:06:26.399 Oh, thank you, Stephen. 01:06:26.399 --> 01:06:27.270 That's fantastic. 01:06:27.330 --> 01:06:29.189 And please just join us tomorrow night. 01:06:29.250 --> 01:06:33.299 Um, because we do do these weeks every single week, every Thursday 01:06:33.299 --> 01:06:39.149 at 7:00 PM GMT, and we have some really fantastic guests who come 01:06:39.149 --> 01:06:41.310 and talk and Stephen old probably. 01:06:41.310 --> 01:06:44.339 And you can listen to the last five episodes back. 01:06:44.339 --> 01:06:48.480 If you just go, go to the global architect that's room, uh, this 01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.640 five, um, recordings as well. 01:06:50.730 --> 01:06:54.990 You can listen to thank you, Stephen didn't even rehearse this. 01:06:54.990 --> 01:06:55.350 Did we? 01:06:55.350 --> 01:06:56.379 We didn't even know. 01:06:56.910 --> 01:06:58.620 We, I don't do rehearse. 01:06:59.430 --> 01:07:01.290 And then she know why I don't do them. 01:07:01.350 --> 01:07:03.270 I probably should, but I don't have the time. 01:07:03.270 --> 01:07:06.780 So we kind of, we go on the fly here, but there's a nice quality. 01:07:06.780 --> 01:07:10.530 We've just, you know, freestyling and just being out there. 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:11.490 Thanks, Jason. 01:07:11.490 --> 01:07:13.950 And everyone should check out that room now. 01:07:14.310 --> 01:07:15.030 Next on it. 01:07:15.030 --> 01:07:15.780 We'll pop it down. 01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.510 And you, do you have any kind of final thoughts? 01:07:18.510 --> 01:07:20.490 So quick comments doesn't have to be long. 01:07:20.700 --> 01:07:22.350 Anything you'd like to add before we move on? 01:07:23.915 --> 01:07:24.404 Yes. 01:07:24.435 --> 01:07:28.995 Thank you for some very great inspiration and best of luck with your journey. 01:07:28.995 --> 01:07:32.475 And if anyone has any questions or wants to collaborate on 01:07:32.475 --> 01:07:37.785 anything, I'm open because I'm really excited about all of this. 01:07:37.875 --> 01:07:38.984 So good luck everyone. 01:07:39.045 --> 01:07:39.615 And Stephen. 01:07:40.395 --> 01:07:40.845 Yeah. 01:07:41.024 --> 01:07:42.404 Well, we're going to keep talking out. 01:07:42.404 --> 01:07:43.125 We ant as well. 01:07:43.125 --> 01:07:46.694 I'm excited what you're doing and I can learn a lot from what you've done as well. 01:07:46.725 --> 01:07:52.004 So look, I really thank you sharing, especially what it's like to actually do 01:07:52.125 --> 01:07:54.435 the NFTs move from a collection point. 01:07:54.674 --> 01:07:57.645 Now I don't, as you are the brains in the room, you're 01:07:57.645 --> 01:07:59.115 the one doing the marketplace. 01:07:59.115 --> 01:08:02.504 I do not envy your job in that task because I wouldn't have, I wouldn't 01:08:02.504 --> 01:08:04.665 have a clue where the star, but that's. 01:08:05.234 --> 01:08:08.355 Do you have anything final for us to say final 01:08:08.355 --> 01:08:08.714 Adonis Zachariades: thoughts? 01:08:08.774 --> 01:08:15.765 Um, yes, this is a really exciting space and it's really a new space for architects 01:08:16.125 --> 01:08:19.934 and, uh, and we should be welcoming everyone and there's no stupid questions. 01:08:20.670 --> 01:08:26.399 Do not be afraid to ask anyone, get on Twitter, simply type in if T's type NFCS 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:32.130 and architecture, and you're going to find your way and together with, uh, probably 01:08:32.130 --> 01:08:36.240 I should be plugging the combination that we're having, but I always forget 01:08:36.240 --> 01:08:38.939 to plug them all what I'm doing. 01:08:42.149 --> 01:08:43.470 Stephen Drew: Let's get the link up for that. 01:08:43.470 --> 01:08:43.979 Go for it. 01:08:44.939 --> 01:08:45.330 Adonis Zachariades: Right. 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.830 Well, actually having a, the next top metaverse competition and it's 01:08:49.830 --> 01:08:54.930 all about the architects that wants to build the metaverse through NFCS. 01:08:55.229 --> 01:09:00.059 So we want to promote every architect all over the world, or we're going to 01:09:00.059 --> 01:09:04.979 have, uh, so many crisis or working with the central land that you heard before. 01:09:05.250 --> 01:09:10.830 We're working with, uh, other amazing, uh, people, uh, that we are going to be 01:09:10.830 --> 01:09:15.399 announcing really soon, or even working with architects specifically for the. 01:09:16.484 --> 01:09:19.844 Uh, if you heard of decentral land or metaverse architects, 01:09:20.024 --> 01:09:21.104 we're working with them. 01:09:21.554 --> 01:09:24.705 Um, just because this is a really exciting space. 01:09:24.734 --> 01:09:25.965 We want to help everyone. 01:09:26.205 --> 01:09:32.054 We're always welcoming new people, eh, and yeah, just have fun with it. 01:09:33.344 --> 01:09:33.854 Stephen Drew: Brilliant. 01:09:33.884 --> 01:09:38.594 And I just want to say, cause I quite enjoy being in your telegram channel 01:09:38.594 --> 01:09:43.604 and following stuff and I'm learning and that's really nice place to check out. 01:09:43.604 --> 01:09:46.875 So do check out the website, but I do encourage people to go 01:09:46.875 --> 01:09:47.894 and you tire the grim channel. 01:09:48.690 --> 01:09:49.440 Nice and friendly. 01:09:49.440 --> 01:09:51.300 And then you get updates on the market. 01:09:51.480 --> 01:09:55.440 I know when we have our podcasts that I've done, as you need to explain tokens, 01:09:55.440 --> 01:09:57.660 because my brain can't quite get there. 01:09:57.660 --> 01:09:57.900 Yeah. 01:09:57.930 --> 01:10:01.920 I've wrapped my head run NFT, but you will have to help me with your token omics. 01:10:02.250 --> 01:10:04.230 Like what the heck, but that's why you brought 01:10:04.230 --> 01:10:07.160 Adonis Zachariades: me a token 01:10:07.170 --> 01:10:11.910 Stephen Drew: on, I appreciate that, but that's why you need the architects 01:10:11.910 --> 01:10:13.680 involved with you guys as well. 01:10:14.259 --> 01:10:19.599 The economy, because holy moly, a token Onyx just sounds so much. 01:10:19.900 --> 01:10:20.740 And so, yeah. 01:10:21.040 --> 01:10:24.190 Do you have any final thoughts you'd like to add, or you can, you don't need to 01:10:24.190 --> 01:10:28.450 say anything if you don't want, because you know, we've taken up all your time. 01:10:28.719 --> 01:10:29.799 No, I don't really know. 01:10:29.860 --> 01:10:35.530 I just wanted to, to kind of just say, yeah, I agree that this is just where a 01:10:35.530 --> 01:10:44.530 really exciting point in time with, um, the technology and with the metaverse and 01:10:44.530 --> 01:10:50.620 with NFTs all very exciting, but again, always a little bit of a bore, but I think 01:10:50.620 --> 01:10:56.110 we always have to, um, uh, as well as kind of pushing pros, remember the cons and 01:10:56.110 --> 01:10:58.630 see how we can lead to, to improvements. 01:10:58.630 --> 01:11:03.730 So again, sustainability, accessibility, and, um, yeah, 01:11:03.759 --> 01:11:08.259 ensuring that it is a space for, um, the many and not just for the few. 01:11:11.150 --> 01:11:14.540 Well, sadly, I said that on mute and thank you so much. 01:11:14.540 --> 01:11:20.599 You make a massive positive contribution in the public space and yeah, I agree with 01:11:20.630 --> 01:11:23.420 your questions and it is exciting spaces. 01:11:23.420 --> 01:11:28.820 Well, thank you Yami really, really, um, appreciate you being here, Alex. 01:11:28.849 --> 01:11:34.519 Um, my humble, uh, digital architect of the metaverse in the Macon. 01:11:34.580 --> 01:11:36.589 Was there anything else you'd like to add before we go? 01:11:38.250 --> 01:11:41.570 Um, not much. 01:11:41.610 --> 01:11:46.920 And, uh, I'm interested in the IM and integration of that and, uh, I'm 01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:48.870 thinking of big data and AI as well. 01:11:48.929 --> 01:11:55.349 Um, with DNF date, um, just, uh, one thing that I want to, um, kind 01:11:55.349 --> 01:11:59.849 of just go there is I probably should look at capital gains tax. 01:12:00.930 --> 01:12:08.760 And when looking at trading crypto, I will too, but now I've met donuts. 01:12:08.780 --> 01:12:09.540 These are the economists. 01:12:09.540 --> 01:12:12.660 I'm going to rope them into my world and get them to do all my tax for me. 01:12:12.690 --> 01:12:17.250 Hey, I promise, I want to, I want to, that I S I w I want, but you know, 01:12:17.250 --> 01:12:18.540 if you want to, you can look at it. 01:12:19.770 --> 01:12:21.450 I'll stop Yammer and geo. 01:12:21.540 --> 01:12:26.070 Um, I think you definitely need to check out, um, I don't, this is competition 01:12:26.070 --> 01:12:28.230 with . Is there any final thoughts? 01:12:28.230 --> 01:12:33.060 So you're all getting excited for the VR world, a hundred percent excited 01:12:33.060 --> 01:12:34.920 for everything everybody's doing here. 01:12:36.810 --> 01:12:43.030 Um, did anybody, I just want to throw this out there, um, as a game, or, um, do 01:12:43.030 --> 01:12:46.590 your, did any, I'm sure you probably heard this before, and I think you've probably 01:12:46.590 --> 01:12:51.630 read in my mind, uh, the FIFA game as anybody ever send anything to you about. 01:12:52.559 --> 01:12:55.410 Now you, you can buy NFS, right? 01:12:55.440 --> 01:12:56.220 Um, no, 01:12:56.220 --> 01:12:57.720 Adonis Zachariades: not, not that you 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.600 Stephen Drew: have the voice of the announcer. 01:13:02.460 --> 01:13:02.880 Yes. 01:13:05.519 --> 01:13:09.809 A duplicate like the double of the book of the boys. 01:13:10.380 --> 01:13:11.700 I encourage you to look it up. 01:13:12.120 --> 01:13:15.390 It's just you, I'm listening to you and I'm like, no way is it, 01:13:16.390 --> 01:13:17.130 Adonis Zachariades: I need, I need, 01:13:17.910 --> 01:13:20.970 Stephen Drew: I'll have to check it out, but you know, uh, I like breaking 01:13:20.970 --> 01:13:24.540 all the rules here and you know, there's a lot of etiquette and I'm 01:13:24.540 --> 01:13:29.970 sure at one point someone's going to take me off all these buttons or we'll 01:13:29.970 --> 01:13:33.330 have a bit of a laugh along that. 01:13:33.330 --> 01:13:35.070 No, I'm going to end it. 01:13:35.160 --> 01:13:35.490 Yeah. 01:13:35.519 --> 01:13:37.740 We're going to end this been a really good ride. 01:13:37.980 --> 01:13:39.900 Thanks again, everyone that's gone to this stage. 01:13:39.930 --> 01:13:41.100 I've been Stephen Drew. 01:13:41.250 --> 01:13:45.150 We've got the fantastic Jason by a donor site run OB. 01:13:46.320 --> 01:13:49.950 Oh, some architect in the real world, Alex really appreciate all you've 01:13:49.950 --> 01:13:52.950 done in the oxygen, social and geo. 01:13:53.190 --> 01:13:54.870 Thanks for bringing your enthusiasm. 01:13:55.230 --> 01:13:58.710 I will let you know when we're doing an, the metaverse talk, but if you're 01:13:58.710 --> 01:14:03.090 starting from more clubhouse, then Jason can look after you in the GAA. 01:14:03.360 --> 01:14:08.519 Thank you everyone for being here and I will shut the room in the next 20 seconds. 01:14:27.660 --> 01:14:30.540 I will see you guys take care. 01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:31.980 I'll be leaving the room.