WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:03.020 --> 00:00:03.830 Stephen Drew: I recorded. 00:00:04.100 --> 00:00:05.630 Hello, professional. 00:00:07.010 --> 00:00:07.310 Sana Tabassum: Cool. 00:00:07.550 --> 00:00:07.820 Stephen Drew: I'm going to 00:00:13.580 --> 00:00:15.020 Sana Tabassum: call a few people. 00:00:19.040 --> 00:00:20.720 Take some time for them to connect and 00:00:22.220 --> 00:00:23.570 Stephen Drew: take some time. 00:00:25.260 --> 00:00:26.870 We'll be just typing aggressively. 00:00:32.689 --> 00:00:33.440 Hello everyone. 00:00:34.730 --> 00:00:36.020 Sana Tabassum: Hey, how are you? 00:00:39.830 --> 00:00:40.790 Good, thanks. 00:00:42.260 --> 00:00:42.470 Stephen Drew: Hi. 00:00:45.900 --> 00:00:46.200 Hi. 00:00:47.090 --> 00:00:48.070 Hey, good to see you. 00:00:54.019 --> 00:00:56.330 Sana Tabassum: Stephen, you know, some of us students are so committed 00:00:56.330 --> 00:00:59.900 when they're sort of our pet 4:00 AM just attending this event. 00:01:00.470 --> 00:01:01.129 Stephen Drew: Oh, wow. 00:01:01.250 --> 00:01:01.730 Oh, wow. 00:01:02.030 --> 00:01:03.080 I'm a weekend. 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:10.940 I mean, I, I tell you what though, the backbone of any CBM portfolio, um, 00:01:11.270 --> 00:01:15.710 I mean, it's the effort you put into it, what you put into it, you get out 00:01:16.220 --> 00:01:18.650 and I can always, let me tell you now. 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:25.340 So I've been the part two, I've been the recruiter sifting through CVS. 00:01:25.759 --> 00:01:29.120 And so in my current role, which we didn't touch upon actually much 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:34.039 sauna in our chat before this, but I work now in an architecture practice 00:01:34.039 --> 00:01:36.830 where I do the recruitment in house. 00:01:36.830 --> 00:01:41.930 So I see CVS all the time, um, as the client now. 00:01:41.960 --> 00:01:45.900 So for people working for the team, Yeah, it's really, really interesting 00:01:45.900 --> 00:01:50.940 because before I would talk about what I think grabs the employer's 00:01:50.940 --> 00:01:55.860 attention, but now I can, I can tell you categorically the kind of things that, 00:01:55.950 --> 00:02:03.750 um, I will that stand out in my, in my, um, in my inbox, in my crowded inbox. 00:02:03.750 --> 00:02:07.380 And so I'm more than happy to talk about the CV today. 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:12.450 Um, the floor is your song that you want to kick it, kick it off, and then 00:02:12.450 --> 00:02:15.120 I can freestyle and talk about things. 00:02:15.990 --> 00:02:17.970 Sana Tabassum: So, um, welcome everyone. 00:02:17.970 --> 00:02:18.150 Good. 00:02:19.590 --> 00:02:20.580 Oh, your faces again. 00:02:21.540 --> 00:02:23.130 Um, I hope you will doing okay. 00:02:23.160 --> 00:02:24.090 And yeah. 00:02:24.090 --> 00:02:28.890 Welcome to day six, which is learning all about the CV. 00:02:29.130 --> 00:02:33.330 If you haven't already checked out the studio curriculum, we've put a few, you 00:02:33.330 --> 00:02:35.700 know, tasks and prompts on there already. 00:02:35.700 --> 00:02:39.120 Don't worry if you're sort of lagging behind a little, we are going to have 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:40.770 some catch up sessions soon as well. 00:02:41.160 --> 00:02:45.180 Um, but if you feel like there's any issues, do you feel free to contact 00:02:45.180 --> 00:02:47.370 your student mentors by the discord? 00:02:47.910 --> 00:02:52.530 Um, but yeah, today's event is essentially looking at CVS good and 00:02:52.530 --> 00:02:55.380 bad, um, ugly ones, pretty ones. 00:02:55.710 --> 00:02:56.730 And Steven's hair. 00:02:56.760 --> 00:03:02.010 He's going to sort of help guide us and give us his expertise as such, but I'll 00:03:02.010 --> 00:03:03.600 let Stephen sort of introduce himself. 00:03:04.454 --> 00:03:05.025 Stephen Drew: Sure. 00:03:05.234 --> 00:03:05.865 Hey guys. 00:03:06.734 --> 00:03:07.065 Yeah. 00:03:07.125 --> 00:03:07.695 Amazing. 00:03:07.695 --> 00:03:09.915 So thank you all for being here, especially on the Saturday. 00:03:10.215 --> 00:03:13.875 So I've been the person looking for a job. 00:03:14.055 --> 00:03:18.644 I've been the recruiter, and now I work with the directors of an architectural 00:03:18.644 --> 00:03:20.265 practice, how to find the best people. 00:03:20.265 --> 00:03:24.765 So, uh, what I want to talk about today, I know it's called the CV Mount, 00:03:24.785 --> 00:03:29.445 then that's kind of, that's a cool, that's a cool little name for it, but 00:03:29.445 --> 00:03:36.015 really the, what the success of a CV is getting you an interview and, and 00:03:36.075 --> 00:03:42.765 for a CV to communicate to an employer, all the valuable things that you do. 00:03:42.975 --> 00:03:47.715 So the first thing that I think is really important to think about with a CV, which 00:03:47.715 --> 00:03:50.144 I never fought of when I was a part one. 00:03:50.144 --> 00:03:53.845 And part two is you constantly need to think about, um, the fact. 00:03:54.780 --> 00:03:57.840 What a job is what is a job vacancy? 00:03:57.900 --> 00:04:02.550 And so a job vacancy is where there's a gap in the architecture 00:04:02.550 --> 00:04:05.640 practice, where they need someone with certain skill sets to join. 00:04:05.910 --> 00:04:08.310 So the practice might have like a way of design. 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:13.020 They might look for certain types of people, but a job vacancy means that 00:04:13.020 --> 00:04:16.410 there's a need for someone there's a need for someone in the business. 00:04:16.710 --> 00:04:20.940 And so when you're designing a CV, you need to solve that employer's 00:04:20.940 --> 00:04:24.690 problems because that's the person that they're going to offer the job. 00:04:25.410 --> 00:04:26.910 So how do we go about that? 00:04:27.210 --> 00:04:32.700 So in this kind of crowded world, we need to make sure that you see these 00:04:32.700 --> 00:04:38.040 really easy to read is, and that people can get the information from it quickly. 00:04:38.310 --> 00:04:42.660 And that in there that, that now that we've talked about the fact that this 00:04:42.660 --> 00:04:47.430 CV needs to be accessible, you need to actually showcase your strengths and 00:04:47.430 --> 00:04:50.190 abilities in a cohesive and quick way. 00:04:50.640 --> 00:04:52.890 So being literal, what do I mean by that? 00:04:53.925 --> 00:04:58.515 So you probably have an email that you will send to Architecture practices 00:04:58.515 --> 00:05:01.185 and you'll have a center portfolio. 00:05:01.455 --> 00:05:04.635 And so the CV really is the core document. 00:05:04.905 --> 00:05:09.555 It's kind of like the star of the show because, um, you can 00:05:09.555 --> 00:05:11.594 have the most amazing portfolio. 00:05:12.495 --> 00:05:14.175 The CV sets the scene. 00:05:14.175 --> 00:05:17.625 So I always think of it like the portfolio is like the support, an 00:05:17.625 --> 00:05:21.975 actor or actress, but really, you know, the main star of the show is the CV. 00:05:22.275 --> 00:05:27.015 And so you really need to quite quickly get across the information about yourself. 00:05:27.045 --> 00:05:31.425 So I always like to think of who, what, where, when, why, you know, so 00:05:31.425 --> 00:05:35.685 an employer, they need to look at this document and understand who you are, 00:05:35.895 --> 00:05:41.265 where you are, you know, when are you looking away and why are you looking? 00:05:41.295 --> 00:05:44.385 You know, and I think I missed one out that, Hey we're so 00:05:44.475 --> 00:05:45.735 let me just freestyle that. 00:05:45.735 --> 00:05:46.995 So who are you? 00:05:46.995 --> 00:05:48.225 So I am Stephen trail. 00:05:48.225 --> 00:05:51.225 I am a part to Architectural Assistant who is available 00:05:51.225 --> 00:05:53.355 immediately in central London. 00:05:53.535 --> 00:05:57.735 I am looking for a place where I can work hard, get involved in projects and. 00:05:59.219 --> 00:06:03.599 And learn and study and learn while I'm doing my part free. 00:06:03.840 --> 00:06:04.260 Okay. 00:06:04.260 --> 00:06:06.390 So I've set the scene really quickly. 00:06:06.719 --> 00:06:11.760 And then in the document you would kind of put down all the relevant information. 00:06:11.760 --> 00:06:12.900 So what's relevant. 00:06:12.900 --> 00:06:16.169 So maybe you would talk about your grades, but probably if you're on 00:06:16.169 --> 00:06:20.400 like a part, two level, you would try to talk about industry experience. 00:06:20.400 --> 00:06:23.430 You will try to, you, you would try to show what you did and you 00:06:23.430 --> 00:06:26.400 part one, and you, you know, you were talking about your grades. 00:06:26.400 --> 00:06:28.979 You'll talk about your background and you talk about your software. 00:06:29.310 --> 00:06:31.440 I mean, that's, those are the kind of the three important 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:33.990 things it's industry experience. 00:06:34.169 --> 00:06:38.940 Then your education is important that doesn't need to take up. 00:06:38.940 --> 00:06:39.990 Most of the document. 00:06:39.990 --> 00:06:44.760 Usually your industry experience will be, and also the software should be on there. 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.719 And so when you talk about the software, you really don't. 00:06:48.960 --> 00:06:49.500 Too. 00:06:49.740 --> 00:06:52.170 I know it's really seductive, kind of go, Aw, shit. 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:56.220 I'm going to put like the rabbit logo, but I don't even know 00:06:56.220 --> 00:06:57.900 what the rabbit logo is anymore. 00:06:57.900 --> 00:07:01.560 So sometimes I get these CVS and they've got like, um, all 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.420 the logos of Lumion and stuff. 00:07:03.420 --> 00:07:07.170 And I'm like, dude, I haven't used the, I, you know, I haven't used that for a while. 00:07:07.170 --> 00:07:10.800 And I'm telling you right now that the directors, while we use 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:13.710 ArchiCAD in my practice, they don't know what that logo is. 00:07:13.710 --> 00:07:17.250 So you should never assume someone knows all the information, 00:07:17.250 --> 00:07:18.360 but you need to be literal. 00:07:18.660 --> 00:07:23.670 So for example, if you, anyone in this room used AKI cats and you used it for 00:07:23.670 --> 00:07:27.870 a few years, that's really valuable information to my architecture practice. 00:07:27.870 --> 00:07:32.040 So you always want to communicate quite literally the information 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:33.270 to get the point across. 00:07:33.270 --> 00:07:36.450 So when you talk about software, probably you want to put at the 00:07:36.450 --> 00:07:38.760 top of the list, the ones that are gonna be really important. 00:07:38.760 --> 00:07:43.740 And that's usually going to be BIM right now because you know, a lot of practices, 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:45.810 you know, we use Revvit or Rocky county. 00:07:46.429 --> 00:07:49.760 And then you talk about the Canada and the neath and, and then, you know, your 00:07:49.760 --> 00:07:53.900 3d modeling software and you can kind of put like words at the bottom because 00:07:53.929 --> 00:07:58.760 you know, we're on the words, but you want to get that information across. 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.909 So again, so that will kind of go over the fee rate. 00:08:01.969 --> 00:08:03.260 I'll recap my theory. 00:08:03.260 --> 00:08:07.969 And then Sarno, we can get a few CVS up here, but just remember when 00:08:07.969 --> 00:08:12.320 you're designing this CV that you are trying to tell that company. 00:08:12.320 --> 00:08:16.940 So if that company is advertising for a part two and hypothetically, let's 00:08:16.940 --> 00:08:19.309 pretend, you know, you're a part two. 00:08:19.549 --> 00:08:20.989 Oh, I'm a part, two of us. 00:08:20.989 --> 00:08:21.950 Role-players me. 00:08:22.189 --> 00:08:24.169 My goal in this CV. 00:08:25.275 --> 00:08:29.715 As to make it as a plugable to as many architectural practices as possible 00:08:29.955 --> 00:08:32.475 and to showcase the skills that I have. 00:08:32.745 --> 00:08:38.204 So if I know rabbit for two years, which I did when I was in industry, then I 00:08:38.204 --> 00:08:40.515 would, I'd want to communicate that. 00:08:40.574 --> 00:08:45.345 But it's really important to communicate who you are, where you are. 00:08:45.435 --> 00:08:49.485 So put down your postcode, make sure that your phone numbers there. 00:08:49.665 --> 00:08:52.335 I had a CV the other day that I didn't have a phone number. 00:08:52.335 --> 00:08:52.625 Do you know? 00:08:52.645 --> 00:08:55.665 I mean, I was like, what, how do I get ahold of you? 00:08:55.845 --> 00:08:58.185 I was like, ah, no, it's a nightmare. 00:08:58.365 --> 00:09:01.095 So you want to put stuff like that down, but you want to set the scene, 00:09:01.335 --> 00:09:05.204 make sure that you're contactable and then you really want to kind of 00:09:05.715 --> 00:09:08.865 showcase your strengths and your skills. 00:09:08.865 --> 00:09:14.925 So that basically the goal is that I get that employer to ring me. 00:09:15.015 --> 00:09:18.365 I get them to invite me for the interview because in the interview you'll need. 00:09:19.205 --> 00:09:23.735 Uh, you know, you need to have that conversation, but the CV is so 00:09:23.735 --> 00:09:25.445 important to get you that interview. 00:09:25.505 --> 00:09:31.025 And also it's the stronger, the CVS and the easier it is to use 00:09:31.025 --> 00:09:34.865 an in the interview, the CV is kind of the conversation piece. 00:09:34.865 --> 00:09:37.625 Isn't that it was all like, oh, it says here, you've done two years 00:09:37.625 --> 00:09:43.955 in rabbit and also references can be great at the end as well. 00:09:43.955 --> 00:09:45.635 And so you've got one to two references. 00:09:45.635 --> 00:09:46.805 They were quite important. 00:09:47.105 --> 00:09:52.925 And there's many other aspects of that, of a good CV, which can be useful as well. 00:09:53.015 --> 00:09:58.145 I'll tell you another quick thing we put on a CV, try to be as literal as possible. 00:09:58.355 --> 00:09:58.835 Okay. 00:09:59.165 --> 00:09:59.465 So. 00:10:00.555 --> 00:10:03.885 Uh, I think that it's really important that the CV, you can 00:10:03.885 --> 00:10:07.604 talk about your interests a bit, but go in with facts, you know? 00:10:07.785 --> 00:10:11.925 So you want to talk about the fact that, you know, rabbit, you want to say that 00:10:11.925 --> 00:10:16.515 you've worked on a residential scheme on your part one, you want to say that you 00:10:16.515 --> 00:10:21.704 went to Manchester university and got a first, you know, and maybe at the end, 00:10:21.734 --> 00:10:26.415 if some way you can say like, you know, your interests, which may be sports or 00:10:26.415 --> 00:10:28.035 whatever, a little bit down the corner. 00:10:28.035 --> 00:10:31.094 Cause sometimes that can be a conversation piece, but you want 00:10:31.094 --> 00:10:36.135 this document to really be useful and communicate and information. 00:10:36.464 --> 00:10:41.805 So what is an example of like a document, which is like a poor 00:10:41.805 --> 00:10:45.555 use of, um, I guess not very good. 00:10:45.854 --> 00:10:49.604 So some that had a brilliant one or two examples we had earlier. 00:10:49.604 --> 00:10:53.805 It might be a good time to bring that up sauna and I can go through em as well. 00:10:55.365 --> 00:10:56.445 It's quite funky, isn't it? 00:10:57.615 --> 00:10:59.564 Oh, at this one or as a good example, right. 00:10:59.595 --> 00:11:00.855 Which doesn't work for me. 00:11:00.855 --> 00:11:05.745 So, so VIN, CV, it looks really slick. 00:11:05.775 --> 00:11:07.125 I really do like this. 00:11:07.125 --> 00:11:07.455 Right. 00:11:07.455 --> 00:11:11.745 But what, like, I mean, what are we, what information are we getting from this? 00:11:11.745 --> 00:11:16.425 So actually the, the most relevant stuff is the work experience, 00:11:16.665 --> 00:11:19.605 which is like 20% of the page. 00:11:19.875 --> 00:11:25.725 You know, I, in the infographic of a, of a, of a, of a Mac in the middle, 00:11:26.475 --> 00:11:28.605 it's not going to do you any justice. 00:11:28.815 --> 00:11:32.595 You know, I like the fact that there's been creative, but if you think how 00:11:32.605 --> 00:11:37.365 much, how much space is you, which is not being utilized to communicate, then 00:11:37.845 --> 00:11:39.525 it's not, it doesn't work really well. 00:11:39.735 --> 00:11:39.944 So. 00:11:41.025 --> 00:11:45.194 Is this, this guy I'm guessing he's a graphic designer, but I have 00:11:45.194 --> 00:11:47.085 to really work hard to find that. 00:11:47.415 --> 00:11:52.125 And like, because, so we can see his contact details he's in Italy, 00:11:52.425 --> 00:11:53.955 but then let's scroll down a bit. 00:11:53.955 --> 00:11:57.735 So let's go through and like for instance, this one I was saying earlier, so the 00:11:57.735 --> 00:12:01.335 software skills now I do know Photoshop. 00:12:01.814 --> 00:12:07.155 I think that settler straight in design, after effects, I'm guessing like, and, 00:12:07.185 --> 00:12:09.375 but look are harder to work for that. 00:12:09.375 --> 00:12:10.305 It's just insane. 00:12:10.605 --> 00:12:14.775 And also what does that, what does a squiggly bar mean? 00:12:14.835 --> 00:12:19.454 She know, I mean, so like four or five is so subjective, you know, 00:12:19.665 --> 00:12:26.655 four or five on one week or for a five for 10 years, you know? 00:12:26.655 --> 00:12:28.545 And that's like a big difference. 00:12:28.755 --> 00:12:32.954 And so if you speak to a BIM Manager is then for so many years that 00:12:32.985 --> 00:12:35.625 they are usually quite modest, you know, like, oh, I'm okay. 00:12:36.375 --> 00:12:37.365 And it's do you know what I mean? 00:12:37.365 --> 00:12:43.665 So it's like, it's so subjective and you want to get rid of subjectivity in CVS. 00:12:43.695 --> 00:12:45.465 You want CVS to be factual. 00:12:45.855 --> 00:12:51.885 So, you know, in this example, I think that also black backgrounds, 00:12:51.945 --> 00:12:56.655 I think, is a negative because some officers will print them out and 00:12:56.655 --> 00:12:59.115 that will just hammer the printer. 00:12:59.205 --> 00:12:59.835 Do you know what I mean? 00:12:59.835 --> 00:13:03.705 So there's a few things that do not work here for me. 00:13:03.855 --> 00:13:06.795 So graphically, it looks nice. 00:13:06.795 --> 00:13:07.935 That's good. 00:13:08.385 --> 00:13:10.905 That's a tech black background though. 00:13:11.265 --> 00:13:16.845 Probably not the best use of the color scheme, but more, the biggest problem 00:13:16.845 --> 00:13:23.505 with this CV is that it's not, it's good to be creative, but you should 00:13:23.505 --> 00:13:25.635 play a part in a formula that works. 00:13:25.635 --> 00:13:28.185 I mean, that's kind of like an art form in architecture as well. 00:13:28.185 --> 00:13:31.185 Isn't it to take the mundane and make it interesting, but you don't want. 00:13:32.115 --> 00:13:37.575 Like this has gone to me too far, so, and you want to, you want to show, Kay, you 00:13:37.575 --> 00:13:39.825 want to be literal with the stuff there. 00:13:39.825 --> 00:13:41.985 You don't want any subjectivity. 00:13:42.345 --> 00:13:45.585 So I don't really know what this guy does. 00:13:45.585 --> 00:13:47.385 I know he's got a passion of the basketball. 00:13:47.385 --> 00:13:51.135 I don't know how long his used, um, illustrator for. 00:13:51.405 --> 00:13:56.085 And the problem is, is that when I'm in my architecture practice and 00:13:56.325 --> 00:14:00.555 I've got a brief on right now for an interior designer and I need someone 00:14:00.555 --> 00:14:03.225 that's done like office space. 00:14:03.225 --> 00:14:05.595 So let's pretend this guy was an interior designer. 00:14:06.345 --> 00:14:10.875 You know, the only bet he says interface and level, and he just says, he's done 00:14:10.875 --> 00:14:12.705 the development of academic projects. 00:14:13.920 --> 00:14:14.040 Okay. 00:14:14.040 --> 00:14:17.430 You mentioned that like all the stuff you guys learned in a year is like insane. 00:14:17.670 --> 00:14:21.180 And like, actually that bit should be really expanded. 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:27.480 So I think that this has substance over, um, you know, 00:14:28.829 --> 00:14:30.300 this is style over substance. 00:14:31.350 --> 00:14:31.650 Sorry. 00:14:31.650 --> 00:14:33.630 I messed that up style over substance. 00:14:33.630 --> 00:14:33.990 Right? 00:14:34.020 --> 00:14:37.829 So you want, you want, you need the substance style. 00:14:38.339 --> 00:14:38.579 All right. 00:14:38.579 --> 00:14:39.900 So let's try another one. 00:14:39.900 --> 00:14:42.689 The SAVAK the safe, he got a good one for me. 00:14:42.930 --> 00:14:43.620 Oh my God. 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:44.790 This, this one's terrible. 00:14:44.790 --> 00:14:46.319 Let's have a look at this for a second. 00:14:46.680 --> 00:14:49.860 So, I mean, can anyone use, speak in the crowd or I don't know. 00:14:49.860 --> 00:14:55.890 Does anyone want to jump in what you guys think about Magdalena CV? 00:14:58.939 --> 00:15:03.589 Well, there's not very much there is there Nat bingo. 00:15:03.740 --> 00:15:04.160 Who is that? 00:15:05.295 --> 00:15:06.584 That was me Vince. 00:15:07.005 --> 00:15:07.605 Hey van. 00:15:07.665 --> 00:15:09.974 Oh, Vince, like in rock and roll mate. 00:15:10.275 --> 00:15:12.344 Well, you put your hair up for that snow funds. 00:15:12.344 --> 00:15:14.415 Get that going. 00:15:14.425 --> 00:15:15.405 It's like Soundgarden though. 00:15:15.555 --> 00:15:18.584 I'm getting flashbacks when I saw Chris years ago. 00:15:19.814 --> 00:15:20.444 Jeanette yet. 00:15:20.444 --> 00:15:21.015 You're right, man. 00:15:21.074 --> 00:15:23.505 It's um, it just doesn't do anything. 00:15:23.535 --> 00:15:27.495 I mean, this one is probably like the, like the crown of 00:15:27.495 --> 00:15:29.444 like the worst CV in the world. 00:15:29.474 --> 00:15:32.204 It's like got no job title. 00:15:32.535 --> 00:15:34.755 I don't know any contact details. 00:15:35.295 --> 00:15:37.365 Education's right at the bottom. 00:15:37.935 --> 00:15:40.275 Um, oh yeah, the contact details are there. 00:15:41.145 --> 00:15:42.135 Um, okay. 00:15:42.435 --> 00:15:46.305 And then the interest thing is, is such, um, the skills again, you see 00:15:46.344 --> 00:15:48.795 always, I think it's good to be literal. 00:15:49.064 --> 00:15:53.385 It's good to have, try to get rid of the bars and like the qual qualities. 00:15:53.685 --> 00:15:53.925 Okay. 00:15:53.925 --> 00:15:54.915 This is a good topic. 00:15:56.305 --> 00:15:57.555 I've done it as well in the past. 00:15:57.555 --> 00:15:59.505 So I go, I am a problem solver. 00:15:59.805 --> 00:16:00.765 I am a fast thinker. 00:16:00.855 --> 00:16:05.385 It's like, oh my gosh, man, we all allow, we do part one part, two Architecture. 00:16:05.625 --> 00:16:06.855 We all got those skills. 00:16:06.855 --> 00:16:09.855 So try to communicate your qualities with. 00:16:10.650 --> 00:16:13.410 The responsibilities that you've done. 00:16:13.650 --> 00:16:14.250 Okay. 00:16:14.460 --> 00:16:18.090 So the fact that if you got a two, one, an architecture, that to me, 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.200 shows that you are creative and you can do it as stuff, or, you know, 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.490 working any awards that you've done, you know, anything extracurricular 00:16:26.730 --> 00:16:30.540 is going to be much stronger than saying you're a problem solver. 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.520 So I'll tell you a good example. 00:16:32.760 --> 00:16:36.540 When I was in recruitment, that people who were very competitive and good at 00:16:36.540 --> 00:16:39.090 sports would be good for that role. 00:16:39.300 --> 00:16:43.230 I, or for instance, when I'm hiring now, one of the ladies 00:16:43.230 --> 00:16:45.060 that we hired, she was amazing. 00:16:45.060 --> 00:16:48.900 And she was really passionate about fine arts and had all 00:16:48.900 --> 00:16:50.160 this work that she's done. 00:16:50.430 --> 00:16:52.290 And that illustrated that she's creative. 00:16:52.290 --> 00:16:54.240 And then the directors talked about that. 00:16:54.570 --> 00:16:59.550 So you can, don't say your qualities by just going. 00:16:59.640 --> 00:17:01.800 I am good at timekeeping. 00:17:02.410 --> 00:17:05.560 Maybe you would say something like I ran a course, like 00:17:05.589 --> 00:17:07.599 skate, like saunas run at scale. 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.290 I mean, that to me requires a lot of coordination, but you see, 00:17:11.300 --> 00:17:13.030 it's like doing stuff like that. 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:19.420 And I remember, so don't worry guys here is that I remember thinking, oh my gosh. 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.079 And I, in any sports clubs, I'm not in any thing. 00:17:23.349 --> 00:17:27.160 I'm just like, you know, um, I dunno, like, I don't know what 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:28.870 to do on I've done my part one. 00:17:28.870 --> 00:17:29.620 I'm just that. 00:17:29.800 --> 00:17:33.310 But actually I worked in Waitrose at the time and I used to, like, I 00:17:33.310 --> 00:17:37.150 used to hustle and, you know, flip around check-ins to make money. 00:17:37.150 --> 00:17:40.720 And then I also used to do a little bit of graphic design and I used to do it 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.770 a bit, like I used to think like I was super cool Banksy or whatever at the time. 00:17:45.010 --> 00:17:47.890 And probably like only two people so are at, but you know, 00:17:47.890 --> 00:17:49.690 I kind of put that in my CV. 00:17:50.080 --> 00:17:56.955 And um, one of the T one of the interviews I had, we were talking about like, You 00:17:56.955 --> 00:18:00.764 know, we were talking about, uh, passions, really, we're talking about graphic 00:18:00.764 --> 00:18:05.085 design, you know, and then I started saying like my favorite graphic designers 00:18:05.085 --> 00:18:07.005 and Evelyn Brody and David Carson. 00:18:07.005 --> 00:18:08.325 And that's why I've done this and that. 00:18:08.325 --> 00:18:11.625 And then in Brixton, I did this and basically I got my part, 00:18:11.625 --> 00:18:17.115 one job for talking about, um, the stuff that I've done and it 00:18:17.115 --> 00:18:19.455 wasn't me saying I'm a creative. 00:18:19.455 --> 00:18:22.605 It was like, oh, well actually I I'm interested in this and this and that. 00:18:22.605 --> 00:18:23.625 And they've built this and that. 00:18:23.625 --> 00:18:24.495 And they've done things. 00:18:24.495 --> 00:18:27.495 So actually, again, it's all about substance. 00:18:27.495 --> 00:18:28.695 It's not about style. 00:18:29.970 --> 00:18:33.690 What I, the one thing I do like here is that a Magdalene 00:18:33.690 --> 00:18:35.160 has talked about languages. 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.670 If you speak more than one language, it really is worth putting down 00:18:38.670 --> 00:18:42.330 because sometimes, you know, sexual practices, you can have clients. 00:18:42.330 --> 00:18:45.030 And if you have like a Russian client and someone speaks Russia, 00:18:45.030 --> 00:18:47.130 and that that's really good. 00:18:47.190 --> 00:18:51.570 And for instance, you know, Mandarin, for instance, you can get a lot of Chinese 00:18:51.570 --> 00:18:56.220 developers and that they, you know, having that skill sets really useful. 00:18:56.550 --> 00:19:01.080 So, um, Magdalena wins the award for the worst CV. 00:19:01.980 --> 00:19:02.880 Can we got a good one? 00:19:02.970 --> 00:19:04.440 So we'll see if we can have a bit of fun. 00:19:05.250 --> 00:19:06.000 Okay. 00:19:07.970 --> 00:19:09.390 a bit better. 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:09.860 Yeah. 00:19:09.860 --> 00:19:10.380 Is better. 00:19:10.710 --> 00:19:14.370 Um, what I like about this is that there's a bit of a structure that, 00:19:14.430 --> 00:19:18.630 you know, like the big guys, it's kind of nice of your magic, but it is. 00:19:19.445 --> 00:19:23.075 It could use space, whatever, but what's good about this is 00:19:23.075 --> 00:19:25.595 that it's clearly structured. 00:19:25.595 --> 00:19:25.985 Now. 00:19:26.195 --> 00:19:29.075 I don't think that you need to over label things. 00:19:29.345 --> 00:19:32.915 You know, I I'm well aware that a phone number means a contact detail. 00:19:33.215 --> 00:19:37.145 And you know, if you talk about yourself, that's the about me section. 00:19:37.475 --> 00:19:40.535 So don't worry about labeling things too much. 00:19:40.805 --> 00:19:44.225 You know, you can, the only thing that you really need to label are industry 00:19:44.225 --> 00:19:49.355 experience or professional experience like here and education, which I think is good, 00:19:49.595 --> 00:19:54.275 but you know, the about me section, just jump in the contact section, just jump in. 00:19:54.275 --> 00:19:55.835 If you want to label off where then okay. 00:19:55.835 --> 00:20:02.505 And languages, but you do not need to label everything, you know, The 00:20:02.505 --> 00:20:08.085 important bits, professional industry, experience, education, software, skills, 00:20:08.115 --> 00:20:13.275 languages, and references be, you know, that's it contact and about me. 00:20:13.275 --> 00:20:15.945 You don't need to, you do not need to label them. 00:20:16.095 --> 00:20:19.125 But what I like about this anyways is that I kind of know 00:20:19.125 --> 00:20:20.865 where my eye needs to go to. 00:20:20.865 --> 00:20:25.305 And what you go realize is that when I'm busy, um, you know, it's like, 00:20:25.335 --> 00:20:28.545 I mean, I, you know, everyone's been on date and apps, right? 00:20:28.575 --> 00:20:28.935 Come on. 00:20:28.935 --> 00:20:33.315 You've been on Tinder or whatever you swipe to the left, you swipe to the right. 00:20:33.315 --> 00:20:33.735 Okay. 00:20:33.945 --> 00:20:35.775 It's no different as an employer. 00:20:35.775 --> 00:20:38.415 What I mean is that I've got distractions, they've got things 00:20:38.415 --> 00:20:41.985 in the office and you need to grab my attention within five seconds. 00:20:41.985 --> 00:20:46.275 Otherwise, maybe I, I, you know, I, I miss things, you know, 00:20:46.275 --> 00:20:49.005 because this is how employers are. 00:20:49.005 --> 00:20:51.195 And usually you see these coming in through an inbox 00:20:51.195 --> 00:20:52.785 and they can get overlooked. 00:20:52.785 --> 00:20:54.315 So, whereas get about there. 00:20:54.315 --> 00:20:58.635 So in the five seconds of the swipe to the left or swipe to the right 00:20:58.635 --> 00:21:00.735 logic, um, instantly see Monica. 00:21:01.875 --> 00:21:04.125 Okay about heck really quickly. 00:21:04.125 --> 00:21:07.095 And then I go, my eye goes straight, the professional experience, and 00:21:07.095 --> 00:21:10.725 then I'll always look at the role at the top, which is like, you know, 00:21:10.784 --> 00:21:12.465 QK is the draft graphic designer. 00:21:12.465 --> 00:21:15.195 But if it was a part two, it would be my part, one experience. 00:21:15.524 --> 00:21:19.845 And then, because I worked at EPR architects, I would say I was at EPR and 00:21:19.845 --> 00:21:21.735 I did a residential scheme of commercial. 00:21:21.735 --> 00:21:25.665 And then, so my eye as an employer would go down there and be like, oh, okay. 00:21:25.965 --> 00:21:26.294 Okay. 00:21:26.294 --> 00:21:27.105 Professional experience. 00:21:27.105 --> 00:21:28.754 This business worked as a part one before. 00:21:28.754 --> 00:21:31.435 Must be a part two, good practice, dah, dah, dah. 00:21:31.905 --> 00:21:34.605 And then I go to scales and I'd see Adobe illustrator. 00:21:34.935 --> 00:21:39.915 And if so, if, if for instance, a CV came in right now and it goes 00:21:39.915 --> 00:21:42.764 to scales cause we use Octocat, I'm always looking for AKI CAD. 00:21:42.764 --> 00:21:46.034 So first thing I'll do is get a professional experience go, oh, okay. 00:21:46.274 --> 00:21:47.415 This person's like a. 00:21:48.270 --> 00:21:48.750 Too. 00:21:48.959 --> 00:21:50.459 And then I go, okay, archi, cat. 00:21:50.489 --> 00:21:51.659 That's really cool. 00:21:51.959 --> 00:21:54.270 And language is that's really useful. 00:21:54.510 --> 00:21:58.409 And then I'll look at education and I'll be like, oh yeah, Manchester 00:21:58.409 --> 00:22:01.830 university, for instance, I know that directors come from Oxford Brookes, so 00:22:01.979 --> 00:22:05.310 they want to admit it, but they have a bias towards Oxford Brookes candidates. 00:22:05.310 --> 00:22:05.560 Do you know? 00:22:05.610 --> 00:22:07.409 I mean, ah, yeah. 00:22:07.409 --> 00:22:08.100 Okay, cool. 00:22:08.370 --> 00:22:14.250 And, um, and then from that, basically I've really quickly got a snapshot of 00:22:14.250 --> 00:22:18.780 who you are, you know, and that's the whole point because in the interview 00:22:18.989 --> 00:22:23.340 that I can really ask the questions and flesh it out at someone, if they're the 00:22:23.340 --> 00:22:27.780 right fit for the architecture practice, where I work and you can test that 00:22:27.780 --> 00:22:31.620 in person, but the whole goal of this document is to get you an interview. 00:22:31.620 --> 00:22:33.419 And what's really good is. 00:22:34.155 --> 00:22:38.895 It am service services, purpose on that because I saw the professional 00:22:38.895 --> 00:22:43.155 experience really quickly, you know, I can see the software, I can see 00:22:43.155 --> 00:22:45.675 the education and it just works. 00:22:45.675 --> 00:22:47.115 And the contact details are there. 00:22:47.175 --> 00:22:48.165 I want to bring someone up. 00:22:48.165 --> 00:22:51.795 So it actually functions really well on them, you know? 00:22:52.065 --> 00:22:57.165 And so like in this top, when I go, it's like, um, you know, your, your, 00:22:57.165 --> 00:23:00.645 all the architects of the features, you're all excellent designers. 00:23:00.675 --> 00:23:01.455 I'm sure. 00:23:01.725 --> 00:23:02.145 Okay. 00:23:02.445 --> 00:23:02.715 So. 00:23:03.540 --> 00:23:07.530 You know, you can have your own magic on the graphic design and, and I'm, you 00:23:07.530 --> 00:23:13.530 know, I think like my role isn't here is not to kind of say you should be size 12. 00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:18.240 You should be because you've got to add your own magic to it. 00:23:18.630 --> 00:23:23.400 But what, where I do really labor the point. 00:23:23.430 --> 00:23:28.080 And I think that what I would encourage everyone here to do is I want you to have 00:23:28.080 --> 00:23:33.960 your own magic, but I, you have to, it's like a, it's like architecture and design. 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.620 You've got some constraints and there's certain things that really work. 00:23:37.950 --> 00:23:41.880 And what I'm saying in terms of the brain, the goal is to get you the job. 00:23:41.910 --> 00:23:47.190 That's the brief, the brief year is as your architects is to land an interview. 00:23:47.550 --> 00:23:51.990 And the way you landed into is by communicating your skills 00:23:52.800 --> 00:23:54.870 experience really quickly. 00:23:55.050 --> 00:23:57.240 And then you have a little bit of your magic, you know, 00:23:57.270 --> 00:23:58.830 almost a nice look and see you. 00:23:59.655 --> 00:24:02.145 You know, so that's really the goal. 00:24:02.175 --> 00:24:03.405 That's the way to do it. 00:24:03.885 --> 00:24:06.045 And w what you want to do as well. 00:24:06.045 --> 00:24:09.675 I dunno if anyone here, as it's got that, you get the feeling sometimes 00:24:09.675 --> 00:24:13.455 when things are so polished, you don't pick up on these things, you know, 00:24:13.605 --> 00:24:18.615 but when things are not polished, you, sometimes you look at the negatives. 00:24:18.825 --> 00:24:23.535 So I think of it like virtual reality, the concept of virtual reality, when it's 00:24:23.535 --> 00:24:25.545 so immersive, you don't get distracted. 00:24:25.545 --> 00:24:25.905 Right. 00:24:26.205 --> 00:24:27.915 But the problem is for CVS. 00:24:29.205 --> 00:24:31.185 When they're good, they just work. 00:24:31.395 --> 00:24:31.755 Right. 00:24:31.935 --> 00:24:34.605 But when this thing's wrong, it really sticks out. 00:24:34.935 --> 00:24:37.965 So the biggest one I'm thinking of, and I'm going to sound like a boring, 00:24:37.965 --> 00:24:40.455 old fart here is spelling, right? 00:24:40.545 --> 00:24:45.225 I'm not that precious about it because I'm not the worst at it. 00:24:45.225 --> 00:24:49.205 But when I was in recruitment, I would present CVS to my clients 00:24:49.215 --> 00:24:52.905 or Arctic practices and they would just go absolutely like 00:24:53.685 --> 00:24:55.545 their spelling, mistake and care. 00:24:55.875 --> 00:24:58.035 I am looking for an architect has got attention. 00:24:58.895 --> 00:25:01.245 I'm thinking, oh my God, I've met this person. 00:25:01.245 --> 00:25:01.935 They're so good. 00:25:01.935 --> 00:25:03.885 So then I bring up me like, dude, what are you doing? 00:25:03.915 --> 00:25:04.545 You CV. 00:25:04.755 --> 00:25:06.735 So you don't want to be that person. 00:25:06.735 --> 00:25:09.765 You want to have your spouse spelling tip top. 00:25:09.795 --> 00:25:10.995 And like, I am the word. 00:25:11.745 --> 00:25:15.375 I am the worst, but we're in an awesome world right now where 00:25:15.375 --> 00:25:17.175 there's like a tool for everything. 00:25:17.175 --> 00:25:22.095 So get that Grammarly, Greg, get all that things going and just make sure that 00:25:22.095 --> 00:25:23.835 no, one's going to pull you up on it. 00:25:24.135 --> 00:25:24.554 You know? 00:25:25.004 --> 00:25:26.445 So, all right. 00:25:26.774 --> 00:25:29.355 I'm just trying to think now, do you want to have a look at, have we got, I never 00:25:29.355 --> 00:25:35.355 example sauna, but we were steamrolling through it and then not anymore. 00:25:35.385 --> 00:25:36.105 Sana Tabassum: I don't know. 00:25:36.105 --> 00:25:39.105 I don't know if anyone actually wanted to share their own and get some 00:25:39.105 --> 00:25:41.804 Stephen Drew: feedback from us or be constructive. 00:25:43.965 --> 00:25:45.075 Sana Tabassum: This is your chance to do 00:25:45.075 --> 00:25:45.375 Stephen Drew: so. 00:25:45.375 --> 00:25:46.395 No, one's going to judge you. 00:25:46.784 --> 00:25:48.435 Yeah, I don't roll. 00:25:48.465 --> 00:25:51.855 Like I know Bartlett's in the news right now for, you know what I mean? 00:25:51.915 --> 00:25:52.814 Like don't worry. 00:25:53.385 --> 00:25:56.054 My goal is to get everyone to get a job. 00:25:56.774 --> 00:25:57.165 Cool. 00:25:57.225 --> 00:25:57.554 Lauren, 00:25:57.554 --> 00:25:59.085 Sana Tabassum: do you want to, do you want to share yours? 00:26:01.425 --> 00:26:01.865 Stephen Drew: Absolutely. 00:26:01.865 --> 00:26:07.335 I wanted to show, uh, just before showing, uh, I want to say. 00:26:08.115 --> 00:26:12.375 I learned a lot from stealing like this past couple of years, with all 00:26:12.375 --> 00:26:19.185 the videos and energy, they are cool, the initial and that is amazing. 00:26:19.185 --> 00:26:26.505 So, oh, this zoom is like two and a half years old, so I've not updated 00:26:27.785 --> 00:26:32.085 after I watched her like written all down, but I want to update it. 00:26:32.325 --> 00:26:38.265 And, uh, I want to say my problem is like, I have couple of years experience. 00:26:38.655 --> 00:26:38.865 Yeah. 00:26:38.925 --> 00:26:45.675 But right now, uh, I'm studying masters like this two months, it will be over. 00:26:46.365 --> 00:26:51.705 And with all this experience, I am applying for a very basic role 00:26:52.005 --> 00:26:54.585 and people and they see my resume. 00:26:54.795 --> 00:26:56.235 Like, is this even real? 00:26:56.255 --> 00:27:04.635 Like why, so that sort of having a problem, I just, uh, share, go on. 00:27:04.845 --> 00:27:05.505 Good for you. 00:27:05.805 --> 00:27:06.195 Yeah. 00:27:07.450 --> 00:27:10.690 Don't worry, two months, you'll be back in the real world. 00:27:13.900 --> 00:27:14.410 Okay. 00:27:15.340 --> 00:27:16.150 Okay. 00:27:19.080 --> 00:27:20.220 Ooh, inception. 00:27:21.090 --> 00:27:21.400 All. 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.390 I think I've seen, this is on the, is this on the social? 00:27:25.770 --> 00:27:30.240 Um, no, I got think I'm going crazy anyways, right. 00:27:30.510 --> 00:27:30.990 Okay. 00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:33.870 I mean, if it's functional, isn't it. 00:27:33.870 --> 00:27:35.370 You've got like, okay. 00:27:35.370 --> 00:27:40.350 So yeah, the only thing I would do straight away here. 00:27:40.410 --> 00:27:40.710 Okay. 00:27:40.710 --> 00:27:45.000 I can see that you say you seek in the role, the intern architect that you from. 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:51.090 Um, you just probably like top of my head, I would just put like, may I'm 00:27:51.090 --> 00:27:54.390 being a bit crazy, but you know, imagine if you had like your name on the other 00:27:54.390 --> 00:27:58.710 side, then you could probably like, you know, I'm an architect or, you 00:27:58.710 --> 00:28:02.115 know, um, And Architectural Assistant. 00:28:02.145 --> 00:28:05.205 We've got to be really careful when you use the word of intern architect, 00:28:05.205 --> 00:28:06.645 because that's so subjective. 00:28:06.645 --> 00:28:11.715 So like, no, no, like, uh, sorry, the cutoff, but when I'm 00:28:11.715 --> 00:28:13.665 applying, this was very general. 00:28:13.665 --> 00:28:19.485 Like, but now when I'm applying, uh, I'll obviously like very much articulate 00:28:19.514 --> 00:28:22.335 to the, uh, company and everything. 00:28:22.335 --> 00:28:27.195 Like I learned in art, but still like, uh, after the defendant middle. 00:28:27.345 --> 00:28:27.764 Yeah. 00:28:27.764 --> 00:28:28.875 Well, I like that. 00:28:28.875 --> 00:28:32.475 You've gone in with your like killer punchier of like multimillion dollar 00:28:32.475 --> 00:28:38.415 residential savor the cheese 25% less work, um, because you, your rev stuff. 00:28:38.415 --> 00:28:39.524 So that's really cool. 00:28:39.705 --> 00:28:42.675 I mean like the professional experience really works there. 00:28:42.675 --> 00:28:44.054 You've got your most current role. 00:28:44.054 --> 00:28:44.625 I know you've seen it. 00:28:44.625 --> 00:28:46.335 It's older, but it's still good. 00:28:46.335 --> 00:28:50.955 So what I like here, so that's, uh, I think it's really relevant to how I 00:28:50.955 --> 00:28:54.405 think it's really good for have, like, especially if we've got a lot of overseas 00:28:54.405 --> 00:29:01.200 art, you know, if anyone's like done work outside of the UK, That's really good. 00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:06.060 What you've got to do is you've always got through to the employer kind of backwards 00:29:06.060 --> 00:29:08.400 engineer in terms that they understand. 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.100 So for instance, now bone that's great. 00:29:11.100 --> 00:29:16.890 What I would try to do here is I would start, um, talking about 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:23.340 the, the, the work you've done for ruin in, in, in like RIBA stages. 00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:29.520 So you would say RIBA stage equivalent, uh, one to free, you know, front end, 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.060 because what that does is it really illustrates that you have an understanding 00:29:33.330 --> 00:29:35.580 of UK building regulations and Reba. 00:29:35.580 --> 00:29:40.650 So you always want to, um, make it as relatable as possible to the UK. 00:29:41.040 --> 00:29:43.080 Um, especially if you want that job. 00:29:43.320 --> 00:29:46.200 Uh, I am in Melbourne currently, so. 00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:47.310 Okay. 00:29:47.550 --> 00:29:51.570 Maybe it won't apply for me, but yeah, probably not fair, but 00:29:51.570 --> 00:29:52.800 you know, just a general point. 00:29:52.830 --> 00:29:56.400 I was just put in my head, I assume, but like, if you're in 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.290 Melbourne and you're like looking for a job, then that that's great. 00:30:00.330 --> 00:30:02.100 There'll be like a graduate architect. 00:30:02.190 --> 00:30:06.630 So I understand their point, but yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:30:06.750 --> 00:30:07.470 Fair enough. 00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:09.930 Well, it, to me, it serves its purpose. 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:11.910 You said you were an intern architect in Melbourne. 00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:15.180 What I like is that you talked about your key responsibilities 00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:16.290 and achievements to me. 00:30:16.290 --> 00:30:17.250 That's really good. 00:30:17.760 --> 00:30:20.880 And you talked about your software, so that does really work. 00:30:21.120 --> 00:30:27.480 And then you've got your, your work from K GD in India, which is good, where 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:32.580 you're a project architect and you've done shitloads work both on Ws Atkins. 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.590 So to me it kind of works really well. 00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:36.810 Um, and you're a bit marketing before. 00:30:37.725 --> 00:30:40.784 I could tie, I, I was getting tacky vibes. 00:30:40.965 --> 00:30:41.475 I love em. 00:30:41.715 --> 00:30:44.475 So that's probably going to be really useful information. 00:30:44.475 --> 00:30:48.764 So you kind of really selling the, the, the software that you use, but 00:30:48.764 --> 00:30:51.104 also your roles and responsibilities. 00:30:51.104 --> 00:30:53.475 So yeah, I think it works really well. 00:30:53.475 --> 00:30:56.774 And let's go to the next page, you know? 00:30:56.774 --> 00:30:57.044 Okay. 00:30:57.044 --> 00:30:59.625 Part-time experience, fine education. 00:30:59.895 --> 00:31:00.405 Fine. 00:31:01.485 --> 00:31:01.784 Yeah. 00:31:01.814 --> 00:31:04.754 Like edgy, the further you go in your career, you don't need 00:31:04.754 --> 00:31:07.274 to worry about putting your education at the front that you CV. 00:31:07.485 --> 00:31:10.455 Cause you just kind of like once you're a senior architect, 00:31:10.485 --> 00:31:11.324 then you've done it for years. 00:31:11.534 --> 00:31:11.745 Yeah. 00:31:11.745 --> 00:31:17.084 So the only thing I would do is kind of, um, put the, in your newest CV, 00:31:17.205 --> 00:31:20.264 it's just put the amount of years that you've done using the software. 00:31:20.745 --> 00:31:25.995 But, um, instead of the, the, the, like the, the dots, but that's 00:31:25.995 --> 00:31:27.425 it really, I think it's good. 00:31:27.445 --> 00:31:28.544 You've got your languages. 00:31:28.814 --> 00:31:30.554 So to me, it's really functional. 00:31:30.794 --> 00:31:32.415 Let me go, let me, there you go. 00:31:32.445 --> 00:31:33.074 So that means. 00:31:33.795 --> 00:31:35.385 You get a round of applause. 00:31:35.385 --> 00:31:35.775 There you go. 00:31:36.015 --> 00:31:37.725 So you go get my food choice. 00:31:38.415 --> 00:31:39.405 Good works. 00:31:40.785 --> 00:31:47.775 Uh, but I don't, I know for me it is so scary because, uh, yeah, when I am 00:31:47.775 --> 00:31:53.685 applying for a very basic role, like, I feel, uh, this is like overqualified. 00:31:53.865 --> 00:31:58.785 We don't want to like that sort of the way exam getting, um, wow. 00:31:58.815 --> 00:31:59.715 It's just real life. 00:31:59.715 --> 00:32:00.135 Isn't it. 00:32:00.165 --> 00:32:02.475 It's kind of, you've done this and you know, yeah. 00:32:02.475 --> 00:32:06.795 You're project architect, but you know, you gotta be positive about him plant. 00:32:07.215 --> 00:32:08.205 Can't be negative. 00:32:08.595 --> 00:32:09.975 You gotta be proud of what you've done. 00:32:10.005 --> 00:32:11.205 It's actually an asset really. 00:32:11.205 --> 00:32:11.655 Isn't it. 00:32:11.655 --> 00:32:16.905 So you think about it, an employer, if I'm hiring for a part two and you're, 00:32:16.905 --> 00:32:20.235 you know, you're not taking with all that experience, then someone's getting 00:32:20.475 --> 00:32:23.025 a lot of very good experience for that. 00:32:23.025 --> 00:32:28.485 So I wouldn't, um, I wouldn't show, I wouldn't undersell what you've done. 00:32:28.665 --> 00:32:29.235 It's amazing. 00:32:29.265 --> 00:32:30.555 So you should be proud of it. 00:32:31.574 --> 00:32:32.114 But yeah. 00:32:32.114 --> 00:32:36.735 You know, just if you got a narrative in your CV, I think embrace it 00:32:36.735 --> 00:32:38.114 so that people understand that. 00:32:38.685 --> 00:32:43.364 And because what is confusing sometimes as if a, for instance, 00:32:43.695 --> 00:32:46.544 it was an internship and you were applying for it and you're like, why 00:32:46.544 --> 00:32:48.495 is project architect applying for it? 00:32:48.794 --> 00:32:51.314 So you've got to, yeah, I think you've got to be like, really 00:32:51.794 --> 00:32:53.985 like bang on with your narrative. 00:32:53.985 --> 00:32:57.885 So you've got to, you've got to work out the narrative for the CV and you gotta 00:32:57.885 --> 00:33:03.165 be like, look, I was an architect, you know, I'm in Melbourne just doing my 00:33:03.165 --> 00:33:05.564 masters now I'm ready for the next step. 00:33:05.834 --> 00:33:08.655 And that if the next step means this role, then I'm all done. 00:33:09.064 --> 00:33:12.195 I think like that really explains and sets the scene. 00:33:12.405 --> 00:33:13.574 So you've got to set the scene. 00:33:13.935 --> 00:33:14.054 Yeah. 00:33:16.065 --> 00:33:16.505 Yeah. 00:33:16.505 --> 00:33:16.905 Yeah. 00:33:17.145 --> 00:33:17.775 Thanks a lot. 00:33:17.835 --> 00:33:18.675 That's that? 00:33:18.675 --> 00:33:19.065 Yeah. 00:33:19.585 --> 00:33:23.505 I, I was always like, uh, hesitant to show this to people. 00:33:23.655 --> 00:33:24.985 No, it's looks, it looks good. 00:33:24.985 --> 00:33:25.665 It looks good. 00:33:25.845 --> 00:33:28.665 You only being, you need to do is set the scene, you know? 00:33:28.695 --> 00:33:28.845 Yeah. 00:33:28.935 --> 00:33:30.975 Uh, do you think like too much text? 00:33:31.035 --> 00:33:32.655 Is it like two mistakes or 00:33:35.925 --> 00:33:37.125 I think it's fine. 00:33:37.155 --> 00:33:39.405 It's fair because you furthering your career. 00:33:39.405 --> 00:33:39.915 Aren't you? 00:33:39.915 --> 00:33:45.915 I could tell that from the way the CVS written, um, and, and that's fine. 00:33:45.945 --> 00:33:52.785 There's no, like one way the, the right way on the CV is the way that when you 00:33:52.785 --> 00:33:58.455 get a job, right then it's succeeded in its goal, but there are certain things. 00:33:59.355 --> 00:34:04.365 So in characteristics that I've seen in CVS of people who get 00:34:04.365 --> 00:34:05.985 the jobs, do you get what I mean? 00:34:06.195 --> 00:34:09.795 And I think like that this is fine and it makes sense. 00:34:09.795 --> 00:34:13.995 But for anyone else in this audience, who's like a part one or part 00:34:13.995 --> 00:34:17.264 two or different points in their careers, and it's gonna look a 00:34:17.264 --> 00:34:19.844 little bit different and that's fine. 00:34:20.175 --> 00:34:25.154 There's no one way, but there are certain things like no one likes bad 00:34:25.154 --> 00:34:31.995 spelling, no one likes crazy fans, no one likes 20 Meg files, which won't load. 00:34:32.384 --> 00:34:33.225 You know what I mean? 00:34:33.495 --> 00:34:35.715 But this that's okay. 00:34:36.045 --> 00:34:43.815 So I think you find, I think, have believe in yourself and also, uh, set the 00:34:43.815 --> 00:34:50.235 scene so that people understand exactly who you are, what you're looking for. 00:34:50.295 --> 00:34:51.465 When you look in for. 00:34:52.784 --> 00:34:57.395 'cause I, I messed up the way, but that was because my brain makes assumptions. 00:34:57.395 --> 00:34:59.355 So that's another thing that you did anyways. 00:34:59.415 --> 00:34:59.775 Great. 00:34:59.955 --> 00:35:01.125 Thank you for sharing. 00:35:03.105 --> 00:35:04.125 Sana Tabassum: That's going to go next 00:35:06.945 --> 00:35:09.105 Stephen Drew: thing, this crazy in the face. 00:35:09.535 --> 00:35:12.775 I would want to go for my CV since Spanish. 00:35:12.985 --> 00:35:16.095 I haven't had time to translate it to, maybe you can. 00:35:16.165 --> 00:35:21.925 Yeah, I could, I could talk about it on like a layout perspective and also, 00:35:22.015 --> 00:35:26.185 um, I have always listened to your. 00:35:28.365 --> 00:35:30.255 Oh, oh, Genoa. 00:35:30.285 --> 00:35:30.765 Oh my gosh. 00:35:30.795 --> 00:35:31.275 Good reminder. 00:35:31.305 --> 00:35:31.995 Thank you. 00:35:32.175 --> 00:35:35.475 I'm going to put, um, they'll put one up today. 00:35:35.505 --> 00:35:37.065 It will be fun if you're on clubhouse. 00:35:37.305 --> 00:35:40.725 I go, I mean, I got a bit tired cause I was like burning myself out, but 00:35:40.725 --> 00:35:43.575 just so you know, I'm going to put like, I'm going to do a carbo special 00:35:43.575 --> 00:35:48.015 on like what happens behind the scenes in recruitment so we can have a right. 00:35:48.015 --> 00:35:49.425 Get-go at the right. 00:35:49.815 --> 00:35:55.065 The con let me go the right clubs behind the recruitment, you know, 00:35:55.125 --> 00:35:59.265 I mean, so we can have a giggle about it, but Hey, in the meantime, 00:35:59.295 --> 00:36:00.765 let's have a look at your CV. 00:36:01.845 --> 00:36:02.385 Okay. 00:36:02.505 --> 00:36:05.055 Um, I don't know if you can see. 00:36:05.415 --> 00:36:07.265 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:36:07.985 --> 00:36:08.295 Right. 00:36:08.295 --> 00:36:12.405 This is really interesting because pictures are risky. 00:36:12.675 --> 00:36:13.245 Okay. 00:36:13.245 --> 00:36:18.435 And so for the, so just so you understand about me, like I'm a gay man myself. 00:36:18.465 --> 00:36:18.765 Right. 00:36:18.765 --> 00:36:23.505 But what you've got to be careful, often pictures is that they're so subjective. 00:36:24.270 --> 00:36:24.780 Right. 00:36:25.720 --> 00:36:28.560 But I kinda liked this picture because when I saw her and 00:36:28.830 --> 00:36:30.990 you smiling, it looks good. 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.240 So it made a positive impression, but people all in their life have 00:36:36.390 --> 00:36:41.430 unconscious biases and that's something you have to be careful. 00:36:41.430 --> 00:36:45.510 Well, so I always imagined pictures or like, it's like the equivalent 00:36:45.510 --> 00:36:48.570 of like in poker of like doubling down, you know what I mean? 00:36:48.570 --> 00:36:53.160 It's like, I am who I am and, but my mom and they, so they can work, but they can 00:36:53.160 --> 00:36:56.430 really distract people, um, as, as well. 00:36:56.430 --> 00:36:59.730 So I kinda like it. 00:37:00.090 --> 00:37:06.210 Um, I think it reads wow, but I'm just putting like, uh, like, um, a warning. 00:37:06.210 --> 00:37:07.440 No, do you know what I mean? 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.520 Where I'm like, it can, if for anyone else in the audience to not 00:37:11.520 --> 00:37:15.420 feel, you need to do a picture, but in this case you go romaine. 00:37:15.510 --> 00:37:18.600 I was like, ah, so this person seems really friendly. 00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:21.840 So it kind of, to me, it w it worked anyways. 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:22.500 So. 00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:27.480 Stephen of Architecture, you know, we've got your experience here. 00:37:27.570 --> 00:37:30.420 Uh, so experienced in projects. 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.590 So to me, and then you've got historical academia. 00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:35.460 Yeah. 00:37:35.580 --> 00:37:40.290 I mean, you've got your profile and you probably, I think like what I would say 00:37:40.290 --> 00:37:45.630 here is we got to get the, the length of time you've used the software. 00:37:45.690 --> 00:37:46.890 That would be really good. 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.040 You've got your, your, your languages and you've got your contacts. 00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:50.730 That's fine. 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.590 I mean, you could put references. 00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:58.710 I mean, I go, uh, again, like fully on this thing here, like now in this 00:37:58.710 --> 00:38:03.690 position, I think like references are so cool, but because they really illustrate 00:38:03.690 --> 00:38:07.350 that you believe in yourself and other people believe in you and that you 00:38:07.350 --> 00:38:08.800 can always get one from your tutor. 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.920 It doesn't need to be someone that you work with in architecture, but 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:12.870 it can help it if you have that. 00:38:12.870 --> 00:38:14.370 But it goes to be someone that you. 00:38:15.090 --> 00:38:16.230 You've done something wave. 00:38:16.530 --> 00:38:20.430 Um, but when I applied, I would do references upon request. 00:38:20.430 --> 00:38:24.300 So, um, I haven't got, but now in this position I've learned 00:38:24.310 --> 00:38:25.590 that I think they will be good. 00:38:25.590 --> 00:38:30.660 So what I would say is get your software literally on there two years old. 00:38:30.660 --> 00:38:30.960 Okay. 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.310 Add, you know, and maybe put Microsoft office at the bottom or 00:38:35.310 --> 00:38:38.550 Brevard at the top because that's the most desirable piece of software. 00:38:39.210 --> 00:38:44.010 Um, and then, yeah, I would try to put ref two references on there if you can. 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.580 Um, I know it's a bit annoying to arrange, but it will pay off trust 00:38:47.580 --> 00:38:49.800 me, cause I always go, oh, this one's better reference referencing. 00:38:50.230 --> 00:38:55.350 And uh, I'm making assumptions here because it's um, because I do 00:38:55.350 --> 00:38:58.620 not speak, I only speak English. 00:38:58.650 --> 00:39:00.510 I'm a Welsh man who can't even speak well. 00:39:00.510 --> 00:39:01.350 It's you know what I mean? 00:39:01.350 --> 00:39:05.560 So, but I'm gonna, so I'm gonna make the assumption. 00:39:06.720 --> 00:39:11.850 So historic academia, and then you've got experience at the top. 00:39:11.850 --> 00:39:16.680 So this one, the top is that industry experience. 00:39:17.730 --> 00:39:22.890 Um, I'm still a student, so I don't have like any experience 00:39:22.890 --> 00:39:27.180 like here I was, um, like a social media manager at this school. 00:39:28.790 --> 00:39:29.940 I also teach a class. 00:39:30.450 --> 00:39:34.440 So I just put that there, but it has something to do with Architecture. 00:39:34.590 --> 00:39:39.480 And then I was like for two months and an intern at a, an architecture 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.590 studio, that's like very basic. 00:39:43.590 --> 00:39:44.220 So no. 00:39:44.220 --> 00:39:45.510 Well, well we'll look well done. 00:39:45.510 --> 00:39:48.420 First of all, I mean, like I said, I was flipping check-ins, 00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:49.650 but they got me the job. 00:39:49.740 --> 00:39:54.000 And my part one, because I think like, if you, if you worked, it 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.210 shows that, you know, you've always got to use the stuff you've done. 00:39:57.210 --> 00:39:59.790 Is there anything here, anyone in the audience here that hasn't worked. 00:40:00.509 --> 00:40:01.229 Don't worry. 00:40:01.290 --> 00:40:04.890 Everyone's got to start from somewhere, but with like this, what 00:40:04.890 --> 00:40:07.950 I think is great is that you've done something that you didn't have to do. 00:40:08.310 --> 00:40:10.950 And, uh, I feel so I think that's really good. 00:40:10.950 --> 00:40:12.000 And you should put it there. 00:40:12.209 --> 00:40:15.569 I would be tempted though, too. 00:40:16.020 --> 00:40:20.430 I think you're underestimating that short thing you did for two months. 00:40:20.819 --> 00:40:25.200 Um, but cause I think that then that shows you being in an architecture 00:40:25.200 --> 00:40:27.299 practice and that you're familiar with it. 00:40:27.569 --> 00:40:33.990 And so what I would, um, advise is that you, you, you pull that out a little bit. 00:40:33.990 --> 00:40:37.649 So you say like, you know, for two months I worked hard in an architecture practice. 00:40:37.919 --> 00:40:42.120 I saw, I saw the project architect or that's going to be a really 00:40:42.120 --> 00:40:43.740 interesting conversation piece. 00:40:44.040 --> 00:40:49.350 And I think that, um, if you rejigged that for two or three 00:40:49.350 --> 00:40:54.555 lines, Then that's probably going to be more powerful than the project. 00:40:54.555 --> 00:40:55.875 So you've got underneath, I'm guessing. 00:40:55.875 --> 00:40:58.185 Are they, are they academic projects and the NEEF? 00:40:58.395 --> 00:41:03.015 Yeah, they are academic and some, um, competitions that I heard today. 00:41:03.045 --> 00:41:03.225 Yeah. 00:41:03.225 --> 00:41:03.645 Good. 00:41:03.945 --> 00:41:04.365 Yeah. 00:41:04.605 --> 00:41:07.695 I think that's really good, but you probably could borrow some of that 00:41:07.695 --> 00:41:13.095 space and just move it to the Hage w Architecture, because I think that, 00:41:13.635 --> 00:41:20.115 um, yeah, any, any exposure like you've got is really handy because as me as 00:41:20.115 --> 00:41:24.655 an employer right now, I know that you've seen an architectural practice. 00:41:24.675 --> 00:41:25.275 Do you know what I mean? 00:41:25.275 --> 00:41:27.435 So it's really valuable. 00:41:27.765 --> 00:41:30.825 So there's a lot of really good things in here. 00:41:30.825 --> 00:41:32.805 It's actually quite a nice CV. 00:41:33.015 --> 00:41:37.305 I think that, um, once you get like the software on that, and if you 00:41:37.305 --> 00:41:39.525 get references, then that's good. 00:41:39.525 --> 00:41:43.095 And then you need to just flesh out the HW Architecture. 00:41:43.815 --> 00:41:47.085 Um, and just say the truth, you know, it's two months internship, but 00:41:47.085 --> 00:41:50.655 you worked hard and dah, dah, dah, and that's still really valuable. 00:41:51.105 --> 00:41:55.365 Um, yeah, I think it's not bad to be honest and so good for you, 00:41:55.605 --> 00:41:59.145 you know, and you've got your own style and that's important. 00:41:59.145 --> 00:42:00.915 And, um, I like it. 00:42:00.915 --> 00:42:06.225 So I do think that, you know, it's kind of, you know, you good? 00:42:06.615 --> 00:42:07.055 It's good. 00:42:07.155 --> 00:42:07.455 Yeah. 00:42:07.725 --> 00:42:08.085 Great. 00:42:08.265 --> 00:42:08.595 Hold on. 00:42:10.245 --> 00:42:12.015 Yeah, no problem. 00:42:13.995 --> 00:42:16.665 You see, and everyone can have the different styles, you know? 00:42:17.175 --> 00:42:22.485 Um, and there's no one way, but the bits I liked the assist improve, improving 00:42:22.495 --> 00:42:27.225 on what you've got the building on it, but it's like anything in architecture, 00:42:27.525 --> 00:42:29.865 your foundations, Abby, we're good. 00:42:30.165 --> 00:42:33.075 So we can build upon them, you know, so well done. 00:42:34.935 --> 00:42:35.505 Of course, 00:42:36.585 --> 00:42:39.075 Sana Tabassum: I think, um, Devo wanted to go next. 00:42:39.075 --> 00:42:39.925 Do you want to start sharing. 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:42.750 Stephen Drew: Uh, yes, one second. 00:42:47.910 --> 00:42:49.620 Sana Tabassum: And then I think we can take some questions at 00:42:49.620 --> 00:42:50.010 Stephen Drew: the end of the day. 00:42:50.100 --> 00:42:51.090 Yeah, sure. 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:51.630 Yeah. 00:42:51.660 --> 00:42:52.560 I've got plenty of time. 00:42:53.890 --> 00:42:54.340 Ooh. 00:42:55.950 --> 00:42:56.370 Yeah. 00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:58.080 Maybe zoom in a little bit. 00:42:59.040 --> 00:43:01.980 So this is actually part of a portfolio that I extracted. 00:43:02.520 --> 00:43:02.790 Yeah. 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.740 So this is where I had my first period of introduction and then my education 00:43:07.740 --> 00:43:09.030 needs, please pleases comes next. 00:43:09.570 --> 00:43:12.780 And I actually laid down my skills on the next page. 00:43:12.810 --> 00:43:14.760 And this is where the contents that we came in. 00:43:15.330 --> 00:43:15.810 Yeah. 00:43:15.930 --> 00:43:16.380 Yeah. 00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.410 So the, so for me in a portfolio, this would work quite well, but you're right. 00:43:22.410 --> 00:43:31.890 I think it needs to be a bit more CVI so, um, it cause where I worry about, 00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:37.410 um, cause I reckon what you need to do is I like the clean, I like that. 00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:42.740 but what I wouldn't want to do is say now where, like I mentioned to you, 00:43:42.750 --> 00:43:45.180 I'm busy, which happens all the time. 00:43:45.210 --> 00:43:49.200 I wouldn't want like April just to get stuck on the first page. 00:43:49.710 --> 00:43:52.830 And sometimes like, I'm really clumsy my job. 00:43:53.160 --> 00:43:59.310 So for instance, the way that the software is on the third page, imagine I don't see 00:43:59.310 --> 00:44:01.350 that and imagine you've got that software. 00:44:01.680 --> 00:44:03.420 So I don't know. 00:44:03.600 --> 00:44:07.170 It reminds me of like, when you're driving school, like my old driver, he 00:44:07.170 --> 00:44:11.550 was like, look, just because you know, all the rules on the road do not assume 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.570 that the other people do they're the idiots they're going to crash into you. 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:21.210 And so in this analogy, I'm the busy guy recruiting in the Arctic practice. 00:44:21.540 --> 00:44:24.870 Who's too busy or lazy to go to the third page. 00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:27.930 Uh, your, your skills to be missed. 00:44:27.930 --> 00:44:29.850 So I'm sure you're going to do it anyways. 00:44:29.850 --> 00:44:33.780 But what I would do is, um, a little bit like the CV before I would take 00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:39.120 the magic of what you've got and put it all on one page, but just so you know, 00:44:39.540 --> 00:44:42.300 um, in terms of the content you've got. 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:42.810 Yeah. 00:44:43.110 --> 00:44:48.270 I think that, you know, the education, I like the picture of you, again, both 00:44:48.570 --> 00:44:50.790 it's very friendly, very professional. 00:44:51.060 --> 00:44:54.590 And in terms of the content that you've caught, you know, aspiring to 00:44:54.600 --> 00:44:59.220 then that's nice, but we should say you wear your part one or part two, 00:44:59.370 --> 00:45:00.870 because I don't quite see that yet. 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:03.360 I know you probably add their contact details. 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.280 A nice, you know, that's fine. 00:45:05.790 --> 00:45:10.080 Um, you want to the education that's, that's fine too. 00:45:10.470 --> 00:45:11.880 So the education's fine. 00:45:11.900 --> 00:45:16.710 That do you should, so you got one on the way. 00:45:16.740 --> 00:45:19.500 So when you graduate next year, near the time you're looking for the 00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:24.225 job, try to put in your predicted grades, you know, Different than 00:45:24.225 --> 00:45:25.665 you prediction, then that's fine. 00:45:25.665 --> 00:45:27.495 But like, so always worth doing them. 00:45:27.945 --> 00:45:30.675 And if you, if you're, if you're comfortable with the grades that 00:45:30.675 --> 00:45:32.205 you've got, you should put them in. 00:45:32.565 --> 00:45:36.495 So I would put your grades in because you know, as being literal again. 00:45:36.525 --> 00:45:41.835 So, you know, if you've got, you have like a use, then put them in because why not? 00:45:42.105 --> 00:45:46.305 You know, if you're not comfortable with the grades you got, then don't 00:45:46.305 --> 00:45:50.705 put them in, but it can be really useful experienced here, bravest, 00:45:50.705 --> 00:45:51.795 state, and committee member. 00:45:51.825 --> 00:45:52.665 That's amazing. 00:45:53.475 --> 00:45:56.475 So that's a, in anything extracurricular and stuff like that, 00:45:56.475 --> 00:45:57.765 it's going to be really useful. 00:45:58.395 --> 00:46:00.165 It doesn't need to be in architecture. 00:46:00.495 --> 00:46:02.625 I mean, Reba student committee members. 00:46:02.625 --> 00:46:02.985 Good. 00:46:03.705 --> 00:46:07.575 Uh, if you're not doing anything like that, you, anything creative, anything 00:46:07.575 --> 00:46:11.055 with the creative juices or anything community-based is always a win. 00:46:11.265 --> 00:46:18.225 So for example, anything charity that you enjoy or anything like, um, yeah. 00:46:18.555 --> 00:46:20.745 You know, graphic design, All right. 00:46:20.745 --> 00:46:23.985 You know, any fine arts or, you know, if you have an Etsy store or something 00:46:23.985 --> 00:46:27.825 like that, to me, shows that you've got creative and you can do something. 00:46:27.825 --> 00:46:30.615 So those stuffs are really good as well. 00:46:31.155 --> 00:46:34.095 Um, so I can see some of the capital and Middle-East. 00:46:34.185 --> 00:46:36.675 So what is that? 00:46:37.065 --> 00:46:38.505 Is that competition? 00:46:38.865 --> 00:46:42.165 So maybe just say what that is, because I don't know what that 00:46:42.165 --> 00:46:43.605 is and I wouldn't Google it. 00:46:43.905 --> 00:46:47.415 So it's just like telling me it's always useful, but then 00:46:47.415 --> 00:46:49.335 freelance design is really great. 00:46:49.755 --> 00:46:52.965 So I, in like the stuff you've done is really good. 00:46:53.265 --> 00:46:58.365 So I think that as a first exercise, it's like, I know you said you're going 00:46:58.365 --> 00:47:03.585 to do it is you want to just rearrange this stuff in terms of a CV and maybe 00:47:03.585 --> 00:47:08.805 just put like a few of the grades down, but actually, um, looks good. 00:47:08.865 --> 00:47:12.285 This go to your software's page if you, yeah. 00:47:12.345 --> 00:47:15.915 So, and then just, yeah, like gab put on. 00:47:16.815 --> 00:47:20.325 But the land for times on the, on your software, you know? 00:47:20.355 --> 00:47:20.565 Sure. 00:47:21.015 --> 00:47:24.345 So I think you've got the makings of a great CV. 00:47:24.345 --> 00:47:27.585 Again, it's like the analogy of, like, I think that the structures that we've 00:47:27.595 --> 00:47:32.565 just got to, um, put it all on one page or two, you know, you can do two 00:47:32.565 --> 00:47:37.725 pages, but then when you finally can get the song, the one page and I, what 00:47:37.725 --> 00:47:44.205 I, what, what that does is it removes the, it removes the scope for busy 00:47:44.205 --> 00:47:47.205 idiots, like me not to pick up on things. 00:47:47.345 --> 00:47:51.045 So we always, we, we wouldn't want them to miss out on that, but Hey, 00:47:51.045 --> 00:47:55.425 look, especially where you are well done and it, you know, if I think 00:47:55.425 --> 00:47:58.485 you say you're studying till next year, so it's great that you're 00:47:58.845 --> 00:48:02.295 looking at this now, but I, yeah, I don't think you've got any problems. 00:48:02.325 --> 00:48:05.565 Just you just to repackage that CV, but well done. 00:48:06.945 --> 00:48:07.395 Thank you. 00:48:07.995 --> 00:48:08.955 Yeah, it's good. 00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:10.500 Wow. 00:48:10.740 --> 00:48:11.160 That's good. 00:48:11.160 --> 00:48:11.580 Isn't that? 00:48:11.610 --> 00:48:14.370 None of the CVS were like the terrible ones at the front. 00:48:14.430 --> 00:48:17.160 I promise they'll be constructive and it's quite easy. 00:48:17.370 --> 00:48:20.340 But what I like is you see, like everyone's at different walks of life 00:48:20.340 --> 00:48:23.700 and everyone has different points and you've got to have your own magic 00:48:23.700 --> 00:48:25.530 and your own personality in there. 00:48:26.010 --> 00:48:32.520 Um, so, you know, don't panic about like, when you look online going, 00:48:32.520 --> 00:48:36.270 oh my God, is it one page, two page? 00:48:36.630 --> 00:48:38.670 You know, get the core things like the spelling. 00:48:38.670 --> 00:48:42.720 And trust me with like the software we should put, like the number of 00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:46.170 years that you've done it, because I, that really makes a difference. 00:48:46.170 --> 00:48:49.950 But you know, there's a little bit of scope to the stuff that 00:48:49.950 --> 00:48:54.360 you can do where you can add your own personality in as well. 00:48:54.390 --> 00:48:57.320 So remember all the stuff that I say. 00:48:58.545 --> 00:49:02.505 It's like a guide and you can add your own little magic and you can, 00:49:02.825 --> 00:49:05.775 you can do your own little thing ban. 00:49:06.135 --> 00:49:11.925 Um, the guy that they do is based not on what I think, because I am the old scene. 00:49:11.955 --> 00:49:13.065 Oh my God. 00:49:13.065 --> 00:49:13.725 Or whatever. 00:49:13.995 --> 00:49:19.335 It's just because in my role I've been privileged or whatever, you know, in 00:49:19.335 --> 00:49:22.455 recruit, I've seen loads of people who get jobs to seen hundreds of 00:49:22.455 --> 00:49:26.145 people who get jobs and fibers, those people that struggled and there's 00:49:26.325 --> 00:49:28.785 patterns with the ones that succeed. 00:49:28.815 --> 00:49:32.625 And like now the people who grabbed my attention to the CVS 00:49:32.625 --> 00:49:37.275 that kind of hits home, everything I'm looking for really quickly. 00:49:37.605 --> 00:49:39.135 It's really easy to have. 00:49:39.135 --> 00:49:42.825 And then also impressive a little bit, you know, saying, oh, it's on my CV. 00:49:43.185 --> 00:49:49.605 And, um, you know, uh, and then like anything that can, um, you know, the 00:49:49.605 --> 00:49:51.885 directors of even the more busy than. 00:49:53.129 --> 00:49:56.730 And then if I can grab attention quickly, then that's a bonus. 00:49:56.879 --> 00:49:58.920 So that's my kind of thoughts on that. 00:49:59.339 --> 00:50:04.109 Really happy to answer any questions that you have, anyone 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.290 at all you can ask me anything. 00:50:09.450 --> 00:50:14.970 Oh my gosh, this hi. 00:50:16.029 --> 00:50:16.450 Hi. 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:17.879 Hey, what's up? 00:50:20.490 --> 00:50:22.799 Sana Tabassum: Thank you for this has been really helpful. 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.379 Stephen Drew: I just have one question 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:26.819 Sana Tabassum: about the software. 00:50:26.819 --> 00:50:32.129 So how do we count the year of years of experience, what we have do have that 00:50:32.520 --> 00:50:35.250 type of certification or just the years of 00:50:35.250 --> 00:50:36.120 Stephen Drew: being practicing? 00:50:36.690 --> 00:50:40.460 No, uh, well, you can just, you know, so if you're a part, one state. 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.370 Then I would assume it's the software that you've used, you 00:50:44.370 --> 00:50:45.540 know, while you were studying. 00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:51.180 So you can, but then if, for instance, you're like a part two, if 00:50:51.210 --> 00:50:54.060 you could even say, look, I'd done two years of, rather than industry. 00:50:54.060 --> 00:50:56.400 And I studied it for one year, so I've done three years. 00:50:56.730 --> 00:51:01.020 And again, you can unpack the us in an interview, you know, but just, you just 00:51:01.020 --> 00:51:04.890 need to feel comfortable with what you're going to say, as long as it correlates. 00:51:04.890 --> 00:51:08.880 And that makes sense to me, you do not need to worry about certification. 00:51:09.090 --> 00:51:13.830 I have seen some people get certification, um, and you, you know, you could do like 00:51:13.830 --> 00:51:19.080 a rabbit basic course that could help, that could help, but it's not essential. 00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:24.630 I think really, if you go to read, then, you know, you'll be comfortable 00:51:24.630 --> 00:51:29.990 answering questions about your skillset and ability and therefore it will kind. 00:51:30.870 --> 00:51:35.310 When am I having a conversation with you in an interview, I'll be able to 00:51:35.310 --> 00:51:37.860 feel out that experience quite quickly. 00:51:38.190 --> 00:51:40.980 So if you've used rabbit for 10 years, you normally can be like, 00:51:41.010 --> 00:51:42.270 oh yeah, I've done this and that. 00:51:42.270 --> 00:51:45.840 And I ask you a question about like, what's your opinion on, you know, 00:51:46.020 --> 00:51:49.440 what they released in 2021 or 2022. 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:50.760 And then you go up above that. 00:51:50.970 --> 00:51:54.390 So I can really quite quickly work out if someone's like, it knows 00:51:54.390 --> 00:51:57.330 the software, even though I don't know the software just from the way 00:51:57.570 --> 00:51:59.130 that they're answering questions. 00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:02.580 Um, so ensure don't panic about that. 00:52:02.610 --> 00:52:06.180 Just kind of go well in my head, I've done it for two years. 00:52:06.240 --> 00:52:07.710 So I'm gonna put down two. 00:52:08.220 --> 00:52:10.770 Yeah, no problem. 00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:13.980 Any other questions? 00:52:15.330 --> 00:52:18.360 Oh, I've got a new soundboard from my clubhouse, by the way, Abby. 00:52:18.390 --> 00:52:21.060 So, so like this, I got my cartoon white board. 00:52:22.740 --> 00:52:23.220 There you go. 00:52:23.520 --> 00:52:23.820 That's good. 00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:24.060 Isn't it. 00:52:24.060 --> 00:52:25.200 You can hear all that. 00:52:26.459 --> 00:52:28.439 Yeah, Vince. 00:52:28.439 --> 00:52:28.740 Thanks. 00:52:28.740 --> 00:52:29.939 Who's this bloody guy. 00:52:29.939 --> 00:52:31.410 If I can find off the street. 00:52:32.970 --> 00:52:33.240 Sana Tabassum: Cool. 00:52:33.750 --> 00:52:35.759 If anyone has any other questions, please do. 00:52:35.759 --> 00:52:36.419 Go ahead. 00:52:36.509 --> 00:52:42.060 Um, but I, I mean, as always, Steven's happy to have a chat, I think, through 00:52:42.509 --> 00:52:45.990 the social, if you're not on the social already, make sure you join. 00:52:46.049 --> 00:52:48.270 I'll leave you the links as 00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:49.049 Stephen Drew: oh, happy. 00:52:49.049 --> 00:52:49.529 He's happy. 00:52:49.529 --> 00:52:49.979 He's back. 00:52:49.979 --> 00:52:51.450 Come on, Abby, what are you thinking? 00:52:52.319 --> 00:52:58.750 Um, I have a question and it's, um, for, for example, do you have to 00:52:58.750 --> 00:53:05.009 put everything that you've done, like curses or volunteer projects? 00:53:05.069 --> 00:53:09.029 Or do you think that we should focus our CV? 00:53:09.149 --> 00:53:12.799 Just, um, the stuff related to architecture or. 00:53:13.754 --> 00:53:15.165 Like relevant. 00:53:15.205 --> 00:53:15.625 Yeah. 00:53:16.004 --> 00:53:16.815 Good question. 00:53:17.055 --> 00:53:18.944 There's always like a weighing up point. 00:53:18.975 --> 00:53:22.754 And so like with your CV, I felt like it was kind of that, but what 00:53:22.845 --> 00:53:25.904 would be good is to illustrate a little bit more of the architecture. 00:53:25.904 --> 00:53:29.205 So I think the golden rule is that in CV always put your 00:53:29.205 --> 00:53:30.825 most recent stuff at the top. 00:53:30.855 --> 00:53:34.214 So say now you've had like three jobs, actually the job that you've done most 00:53:34.214 --> 00:53:36.105 reasonably is going to be really relevant. 00:53:36.134 --> 00:53:36.495 Right. 00:53:36.495 --> 00:53:39.254 Because that's probably going to be the most up-to-date and that's going to be 00:53:39.254 --> 00:53:43.455 the one that you've done, probably the most amount of responsibility, you know? 00:53:43.694 --> 00:53:46.815 So I always think of it like this, you know, when we were all being there 00:53:46.815 --> 00:53:50.835 and I'll part one and you know, the stuff you done on your first year, you 00:53:50.835 --> 00:53:52.995 know, no one wants to see that anymore. 00:53:53.174 --> 00:53:53.805 You know what I mean? 00:53:53.805 --> 00:53:57.015 It's like, cause it saved this purpose and maybe can put one image. 00:53:57.015 --> 00:54:00.044 There'd be you put it at the end and maybe it will come up. 00:54:00.044 --> 00:54:04.154 But in an interview and the other portfolio that actually has always 00:54:04.154 --> 00:54:07.484 the most recent project, which is usually much more profound. 00:54:07.815 --> 00:54:09.234 The only exception is. 00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:15.030 When you're a part too, in an interview, they will probably talk 00:54:15.030 --> 00:54:19.710 about the work that you did doing your part one, not so much the 00:54:19.710 --> 00:54:21.990 work you just did in your part two. 00:54:22.600 --> 00:54:28.590 And that's, what's going to probably get you the job alongside your academic work. 00:54:28.590 --> 00:54:33.060 And the reason for this is because when you, when people are 00:54:33.060 --> 00:54:35.040 hiring, they're basically high. 00:54:35.160 --> 00:54:38.040 They want to hire people who have worked in the industry. 00:54:38.040 --> 00:54:41.190 So a graduate, well, you know, it doesn't matter if you could access 00:54:41.190 --> 00:54:44.310 your experience, but if you have bonus stuff, like you had the 00:54:44.310 --> 00:54:46.290 happy, then it's going to be useful. 00:54:46.590 --> 00:54:50.910 But when you're a part too, they will talk about that industry experience. 00:54:50.910 --> 00:54:55.410 Because if you're hiring someone, you want to know what I did in an architectural 00:54:55.410 --> 00:54:57.180 practice as a professional environment. 00:54:57.870 --> 00:55:00.750 But to answer your question, you asked about what's relevant or not. 00:55:00.810 --> 00:55:04.530 Um, so I think that with the volunteering, just kind of. 00:55:06.315 --> 00:55:11.384 Um, let's pretend that you had, like, your sheet was really full, you know, 00:55:11.384 --> 00:55:14.535 and there's a nice flow and I know what you mean, because if we start adding 00:55:14.535 --> 00:55:18.225 too much, maybe it'll go to a second page and you don't have enough stuff. 00:55:18.225 --> 00:55:19.665 So I think it's like everything. 00:55:19.665 --> 00:55:22.905 You've always got to edit it a bit, but maybe keep the most 00:55:22.905 --> 00:55:24.855 recent and most profound stuff. 00:55:25.155 --> 00:55:31.425 So for, so the other CV that we saw here, which was like the Rebbe stuff, that's 00:55:31.425 --> 00:55:35.055 kind of good because it's architect coral and you know, so you would put 00:55:35.055 --> 00:55:39.375 that in, um, you know, if you've done like some volunteering from like four 00:55:39.375 --> 00:55:41.745 years ago, you don't need to do it. 00:55:42.015 --> 00:55:47.215 So, you know, there's stuff now that in my career that I know 00:55:47.215 --> 00:55:48.495 I was really proud of before. 00:55:48.495 --> 00:55:49.995 And if they pop up, I would do it. 00:55:49.995 --> 00:55:54.165 But you know, on my LinkedIn profile, which is basically like my CV now, 00:55:54.525 --> 00:55:59.445 because I'm getting old, but like basically by taking those stuff off, 00:56:00.270 --> 00:56:04.620 Which I'm proud of, but it's just because yeah, it'd be too much people reading. 00:56:04.680 --> 00:56:05.370 Do you know what I mean? 00:56:05.630 --> 00:56:10.380 It's like, like that's how you, I was like Manchester school of architecture. 00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:14.130 I was there and you will offer this sound that I was there, 00:56:14.130 --> 00:56:16.830 social like GAM coordinator. 00:56:17.070 --> 00:56:18.210 And I was so bad. 00:56:18.450 --> 00:56:19.170 I was so bad. 00:56:19.170 --> 00:56:22.920 But anyways, I did it, which is ironic because I run a forum, 00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:25.380 but I run a forum right now. 00:56:25.410 --> 00:56:28.500 But back then, I was just like the worst I was the worst. 00:56:28.530 --> 00:56:29.790 I just couldn't do it. 00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:34.410 I couldn't organize anything, but anyways, I'm just digressing, but 00:56:34.470 --> 00:56:38.190 that's gone now at the time, it was a big deal to me because it was for the 00:56:38.190 --> 00:56:40.200 Manchester society and yada, yada, yada. 00:56:40.230 --> 00:56:42.180 But now I don't need it anymore. 00:56:42.450 --> 00:56:42.550 Oh. 00:56:42.550 --> 00:56:44.310 I just realize it's probably quite loud. 00:56:44.350 --> 00:56:44.880 I'm a shout. 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.460 And everyone's brains off attended down now. 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:48.180 Sorry. 00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:52.680 Um, yeah, so you can edit things, feel the flow. 00:56:54.060 --> 00:56:57.690 And I never example on the CV is like, if you've done volunteering, you don't need 00:56:57.690 --> 00:57:01.649 to say you've done it five times, because what you want to do is you want to labor 00:57:01.649 --> 00:57:06.390 the point that you've done something it's kind of like in a portfolio. 00:57:06.540 --> 00:57:10.140 If you see five EXOS, it's like, dude, I know you can do an act. 00:57:10.140 --> 00:57:13.470 So, you know, you don't need to show it five times. 00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:14.370 You can. 00:57:14.520 --> 00:57:18.420 But what that means is that you've used that space to do the show, the act. 00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:23.310 So, whereas like a really efficient portfolio is that, you know, you, 00:57:23.330 --> 00:57:27.720 you show the ho the skate, you, you, you, you illustrate projects, 00:57:27.720 --> 00:57:28.950 but you show a bit of everything. 00:57:29.160 --> 00:57:29.759 You show the act. 00:57:29.790 --> 00:57:33.629 So with the detail and the plan and this, like you get like, wow, 00:57:33.660 --> 00:57:35.009 this person's done everything. 00:57:35.279 --> 00:57:38.129 And so if your question, Abby, just put a little bit of event. 00:57:38.370 --> 00:57:39.960 You do not need to worry about everything. 00:57:40.470 --> 00:57:42.060 Think of it like the whole package. 00:57:42.089 --> 00:57:43.440 And we'll go back to the goal. 00:57:43.710 --> 00:57:47.490 You want people to feel excited that when I look at your CV, that they 00:57:47.490 --> 00:57:48.720 want to invite you for the interview. 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:51.450 And if you can do the app and whatever. 00:57:52.425 --> 00:57:54.795 Then you've succeeded, you know? 00:57:55.185 --> 00:57:58.665 And then there's just a few things that I've learned that successful 00:57:58.665 --> 00:58:00.765 people do to, to get that into. 00:58:01.425 --> 00:58:06.585 So don't worry about putting everything in, you know, no problem. 00:58:08.145 --> 00:58:10.485 My pleasure we'll have a sounds. 00:58:10.485 --> 00:58:12.045 If I go, well, we hear this. 00:58:12.045 --> 00:58:12.585 What's this one. 00:58:14.685 --> 00:58:15.645 What the hell is that? 00:58:16.185 --> 00:58:23.465 Should I cam my so, oh, I've got my, um, I've got my, I called my little cyberpunk. 00:58:23.475 --> 00:58:26.265 So I'm playing cyberpunk at the moment they got Vince. 00:58:26.265 --> 00:58:30.405 You remind me of like, um, kind of reefs and cyber punk at the moment. 00:58:31.155 --> 00:58:32.235 I've got my cyber funk. 00:58:32.925 --> 00:58:34.815 That's the check. 00:58:35.775 --> 00:58:36.555 Kick someone out. 00:58:36.555 --> 00:58:40.785 If they got a terrible CV now that never happens in real life, no one 00:58:40.785 --> 00:58:43.005 ever will laugh at UCB or anything. 00:58:43.665 --> 00:58:45.855 It's just what it is, is like, you don't want to be forgotten. 00:58:46.740 --> 00:58:49.110 And that's the thing because there's loads of documents. 00:58:49.350 --> 00:58:50.580 So don't be shy about April. 00:58:50.580 --> 00:58:53.190 What we're doing is like it's like the day in-app or whatever. 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:56.310 We've got to grab the employer's attention to get you an interview. 00:58:56.759 --> 00:58:57.540 Oh, look at this. 00:58:57.810 --> 00:59:00.000 My Alexa is not set up properly. 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:01.980 I've got a saw at the house on know if we're going to live 00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:04.410 stream any other questions? 00:59:08.180 --> 00:59:09.230 Oh, I got a guitar there. 00:59:09.590 --> 00:59:10.490 Vince, you like that? 00:59:11.330 --> 00:59:13.910 You go see kindred spirits. 00:59:17.240 --> 00:59:18.290 Sana Tabassum: I don't think we have any other 00:59:18.290 --> 00:59:19.190 Stephen Drew: questions. 00:59:19.820 --> 00:59:20.660 Okay, cool. 00:59:20.720 --> 00:59:21.259 Nope. 00:59:22.190 --> 00:59:22.790 Oh my gosh. 00:59:22.790 --> 00:59:23.540 You're going crazy. 00:59:24.020 --> 00:59:26.029 Um, yeah, amazing. 00:59:26.029 --> 00:59:28.460 So I do a lot of stuff in the Architecture, Social. 00:59:29.910 --> 00:59:31.530 I've got some cool stuff coming as well. 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.070 So there is a community forum there, but like I was saying the sauna right 00:59:35.070 --> 00:59:39.390 now, it's not as busy as it probably usually is because I don't play mat. 00:59:39.420 --> 00:59:41.160 I'm not on there as much right now. 00:59:41.160 --> 00:59:45.180 And you know, we just come out with a lockdown, so enjoy yourself, 00:59:45.210 --> 00:59:47.100 but you can find me the and sign. 00:59:47.100 --> 00:59:51.150 There's actually a moderator there, but on the YouTube channel, I've got 00:59:51.150 --> 00:59:56.880 lots and lots of content where we go into lots and lots of detail and 00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.620 I'll have lots of stuff coming up. 00:59:58.620 --> 01:00:03.120 So, um, join me in the Architecture, Social Daffy, check out the 01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:04.500 Architecture, Social dot com. 01:00:04.740 --> 01:00:06.990 I've got a tool which I'm developing. 01:00:07.290 --> 01:00:12.330 I'm really excited about where hopefully when I get it done and you can see it. 01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:16.440 There's one called hunter, the job hunter, but basically I'm going to 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.180 make tools to disrupt the market and the job seeking market, help 01:00:21.270 --> 01:00:23.310 people like yourself, find jobs. 01:00:24.225 --> 01:00:27.165 So watch this space connect with me on LinkedIn. 01:00:27.615 --> 01:00:31.845 Um, feel free to drop me messages, check out all the resources. 01:00:32.235 --> 01:00:34.275 I will always try to reply the stuff. 01:00:34.725 --> 01:00:35.835 You know, I always try. 01:00:35.835 --> 01:00:38.865 If you say you hear, you know, or anything, I will always try 01:00:38.865 --> 01:00:40.995 to get back, but sometimes plays. 01:00:40.995 --> 01:00:44.865 If, if I, if I do not get back to you, just drop me a message again. 01:00:44.865 --> 01:00:49.215 Cause I get busy, but the same concept I want all you guys to have here. 01:00:49.424 --> 01:00:52.605 When you're looking for jobs, it's not that people are ignoring you. 01:00:52.845 --> 01:00:56.835 It's usually that they're busy and you've got to grab people's attention. 01:00:57.075 --> 01:00:59.955 And so like a good way to grab my attention is that you'd be like, 01:00:59.985 --> 01:01:05.325 Hey, I was in, uh, you know, scale of studio and I've listened to look 01:01:05.384 --> 01:01:08.174 at your YouTube and I've done X, Y, Z, what do you think of this? 01:01:08.444 --> 01:01:11.595 And I'll probably get around to it and reply. 01:01:11.924 --> 01:01:15.225 But if you don't hear from me, then you message again. 01:01:15.495 --> 01:01:18.495 And like when you're looking for jobs here, you send your CV and 01:01:18.495 --> 01:01:22.965 your portfolio should put it in your diary, call people up a weekend. 01:01:23.835 --> 01:01:24.975 No, I never did. 01:01:25.035 --> 01:01:29.175 I, you know, I S I sent a lot of CVS, but now I realize that 01:01:29.445 --> 01:01:30.675 there's a power into people. 01:01:30.675 --> 01:01:34.815 The follow up, you know, someone's polite and they go, Hey, did you get my CV? 01:01:34.815 --> 01:01:37.154 Do you have a way, or, Hey, Steve, did you get my message? 01:01:37.455 --> 01:01:38.415 And I go, oh, sorry. 01:01:38.535 --> 01:01:39.735 And then I'll probably reply. 01:01:40.095 --> 01:01:43.305 So be determined, everyone here can do the CV. 01:01:43.725 --> 01:01:45.404 Uh, everyone has it in them to do it. 01:01:45.975 --> 01:01:49.545 Remember, you studied architecture, that's bloody difficult, which means 01:01:49.545 --> 01:01:52.995 you're a smart person, but you just have to put a bit of effort into it. 01:01:53.355 --> 01:01:58.395 And you just have to think about how does this document is this document convey 01:01:58.395 --> 01:02:02.535 all the information that I have and will the person invite me for a job interview? 01:02:03.015 --> 01:02:07.425 And if you think like, ah, do you know what it really showcases my ability then? 01:02:07.425 --> 01:02:07.755 Great. 01:02:08.085 --> 01:02:12.105 The examples that I saw here today, or for any of them, I think were really good. 01:02:12.465 --> 01:02:16.995 I can always tweak them and always room for improvement, but, you know, hopefully 01:02:17.265 --> 01:02:19.605 those comments and feedback was useful. 01:02:20.580 --> 01:02:24.930 Um, yeah, and that's, it really drop me a message and then once the CVS are up 01:02:24.930 --> 01:02:29.670 and, uh, hopefully you all be working in, in the, in the big white architecture 01:02:29.680 --> 01:02:33.840 world and who knows, maybe we'll all meet up at some point in like free years 01:02:34.080 --> 01:02:36.900 when the next pandemic comes knows. 01:02:37.830 --> 01:02:38.190 Alright. 01:02:39.240 --> 01:02:39.330 All 01:02:39.330 --> 01:02:39.600 Sana Tabassum: right. 01:02:39.660 --> 01:02:41.040 Thank you so much, Stephen. 01:02:41.100 --> 01:02:45.960 Um, really appreciate all your expertise and insight, and I'm sure the guys 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.850 who shared their CVS also got loud, but, um, but yeah, I think the next 01:02:50.850 --> 01:02:55.020 step is basically to put together your CV, just the initial first draft. 01:02:55.020 --> 01:02:58.290 We're not looking to have anything perfect or complete others moment. 01:02:58.740 --> 01:03:03.120 Um, and then I think you can just continue discussing and tweaking. 01:03:03.120 --> 01:03:06.029 And, you know, I think the power of having this studio and this 01:03:06.029 --> 01:03:09.450 cohort is the fact that you're able to actually get that feedback off 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.250 each other and bounce those ideas. 01:03:11.700 --> 01:03:13.800 So definitely make use of that as well. 01:03:15.150 --> 01:03:15.450 Stephen Drew: Yeah. 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.310 On the whole clan one lasting sauna. 01:03:17.310 --> 01:03:17.640 Right. 01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:22.095 So, uh, You know what, like I was talking about, the Architecture, 01:03:22.095 --> 01:03:23.415 Social is a bit quiet at the moment. 01:03:23.415 --> 01:03:25.395 That's a really good opportunity for people to do stuff. 01:03:25.395 --> 01:03:29.055 So if anyone wants to speak to Sandra about projects, then that's probably 01:03:29.055 --> 01:03:30.885 a really good time to do it as well. 01:03:30.885 --> 01:03:34.725 Because after this summer, I mentioned that you have a bit more time, but what, 01:03:34.725 --> 01:03:36.285 what, where am I going with this point? 01:03:36.345 --> 01:03:36.615 Right? 01:03:36.855 --> 01:03:39.135 So you are all here, right? 01:03:39.135 --> 01:03:40.845 You chose to be here on Saturday. 01:03:41.055 --> 01:03:43.125 You want sitting on your ass playing cyber punk. 01:03:43.125 --> 01:03:46.085 Like I was an hour ago, sorry, but you know, I got out of the 01:03:46.085 --> 01:03:50.235 other break, but you chose to do something and that's amazing. 01:03:50.265 --> 01:03:57.165 And the people that really do stuff, um, you will go really far. 01:03:57.315 --> 01:03:57.795 Okay. 01:03:58.065 --> 01:04:04.725 And, and as, so while this year, the Architecture Social as kicked off, I 01:04:04.725 --> 01:04:09.105 mean, Before, and I never done it, you know, and I'd always make excuses and 01:04:09.105 --> 01:04:12.314 I was busy and this and that, but this never too late to do these things. 01:04:12.314 --> 01:04:13.754 You've just got to do it now. 01:04:13.785 --> 01:04:17.205 And what I've realized is the more that you do these stuff, the more that 01:04:17.205 --> 01:04:20.355 you're out there, the more that you speak to everyone in this group, the 01:04:20.355 --> 01:04:23.865 more you like, you know, you work and your CV, the more you talk about it, 01:04:23.895 --> 01:04:25.814 the more you engage in the community. 01:04:26.085 --> 01:04:29.674 And now it's better, you know, everyone's uses the word community, but you know, 01:04:29.674 --> 01:04:34.814 it was miss cohorts and what, the more people do things together, the more you 01:04:34.814 --> 01:04:37.095 do things, the bay you'll the forever. 01:04:37.095 --> 01:04:37.904 You will go in Ukraine. 01:04:38.670 --> 01:04:42.480 And it's, um, it's very much in life who, you know, and it's 01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.580 very much like a people's world. 01:04:44.609 --> 01:04:49.109 And like, I think that what, I've the stuff that I've done this year. 01:04:49.259 --> 01:04:52.200 I never met Sandra before this year, and now we're doing all this stuff 01:04:52.470 --> 01:04:56.009 and like potentially there could be a collaboration in this room. 01:04:56.009 --> 01:05:00.810 So I really think like anyone that has this attitude can do anything. 01:05:00.990 --> 01:05:05.430 Um, you know, it, you, so I think it's great that you're here. 01:05:05.490 --> 01:05:09.270 I really appreciate it, but I want you to take that energy and do something with it. 01:05:09.600 --> 01:05:13.350 Don't um, think, fuck, I had that translate. 01:05:13.350 --> 01:05:14.069 Didn't do it. 01:05:14.160 --> 01:05:15.120 Just do stuff. 01:05:15.120 --> 01:05:18.270 So get your CV and then get working together. 01:05:18.270 --> 01:05:21.330 And, and like, I don't know, create stuff or drop me. 01:05:21.359 --> 01:05:23.310 I'll tell you what drop me a message. 01:05:23.310 --> 01:05:25.350 We have an idea or a project that you want to do. 01:05:25.350 --> 01:05:29.009 And if I can support you, I will, but I'll tell you if I 01:05:29.009 --> 01:05:31.500 can't, but maybe I can anyways. 01:05:31.830 --> 01:05:36.870 All right, I'm going to go, um, see you everyone. 01:05:37.290 --> 01:05:37.650 Sue. 01:05:38.805 --> 01:05:39.345 Sauna. 01:05:39.555 --> 01:05:41.205 Oh, it's not my room. 01:05:41.205 --> 01:05:41.595 Is it? 01:05:42.854 --> 01:05:43.604 I don't know what, 01:05:44.504 --> 01:05:44.924 Sana Tabassum: yeah. 01:05:45.254 --> 01:05:46.185 Um, thanks again. 01:05:46.214 --> 01:05:50.265 Um, we'll yeah, we'll see you for the next event. 01:05:50.384 --> 01:05:54.975 Um, and if any of you do want to attend the catch-up session, that's fair. 01:05:54.975 --> 01:05:58.154 As you mentioned, um, do you come along to that as well? 01:05:58.154 --> 01:06:02.024 I'll put the link in this school maybe the day before or whatever as well. 01:06:02.055 --> 01:06:03.044 Um, but yeah. 01:06:03.075 --> 01:06:04.185 Thanks everyone for attending. 01:06:13.225 --> 01:06:13.634 Stephen Drew: I was told. 01:06:15.595 --> 01:06:16.104 Thank you. 01:06:16.404 --> 01:06:16.765 All right. 01:06:17.125 --> 01:06:17.634 Should I leave? 01:06:18.265 --> 01:06:19.615 Should I stay or should I go? 01:06:19.645 --> 01:06:20.265 All right, I'll go. 01:06:20.845 --> 01:06:21.205 All right. 01:06:21.654 --> 01:06:22.285 Take care, everyone. 01:06:24.984 --> 01:06:25.404 Bye-bye.